Is Amiga NG underpowered?

[Iggy]

The best ARM system I currently own is  quad core 1.8 GHz A17 based system.
The X5000 should easily outperform that, but the price difference is astronomical.

Honestly, I really still prefer PPCs to ARM systems.
ARM based boards don't generally feature PCIe expansion slots and other features that I have grown used to.
Their primary advantage is price.

[Iggy]

I would agree with most of fishy's summation except for one thing, even though dated my 2.7 GHz dual processor G5 still has about the same power as a current low end X64 system.

And how much power DO you need?  After all, are we forgetting that the primary use for ARM processors is still cell phones?

I'm not ready to fully shift my computing to disposable appliances yet.

So while manyof you maybe fixated on laptops, tablets, all in ones, or those cute little mini itx systems, I still want a more conventional PC.

And I can get that with a PPC board.
And IF they ever get around to finishing Aros, I can get all of those forms.

So, what was your objection to NG again?

It can't be the hardware because we have a lot of good choices, many that are damned powerful.

Could it be the state of the NG OS' themselves?

Development is moving slowly, but it is moving.

And, as a MorphOS user (and I actually think this applies to all three NG platforms)  I am pretty comfortable with the stated directions all differing developers have said they want to go.

The only market that isn't really being served by NG is composed of those that are satisfied with what the had at the end of the last millennia.
And FPGA pprojects will eventually be developed to suit them.

So, exactly what IS your complaint?
That we have a tiny market and a wealth of choices and fanatically devoted hardware and software developers?

[Iggy]

I'm not underpowered, am I?

Apparently there is no concensus on this yet.
You could try asking your significant other (sorry, that just slipped out).

[Iggy]

I prefer OS4 over MOS because the OS3 look&feel on PPC, not because of it's name.

As you develop under AROS, that doesn't surprise me Staf.
OS4 and AROS both have a look and feel similar to OS3.1.

Since I'm not wedded to that, I prefer Ambient.
Beyond that, MorphOS has a range of feature that OS4 doesn't match.
AROS on the other hand comes closer.

[Iggy]

My complaint is that none of the so called NG systems are worth calling NG, there really is no generation gap between them and OS3.x, everything is essencially still the same. I wish at least one of "NG" options would have guts to move on and create a modern alternative, but it seems that noone is interested.

That is an interesting opinion.
The primary reason I have stuck with MorphOS is the differences.
To me, Ambient is a significant improvement.
As is focusing on OpenGL compatibility instead of trying to continue to develop Warp3D.
And Reggae for media streaming is definately a change.

So, I can see significant differences.
In fact, those look and feel changes are what often get us flack from the rest of the community, but I favor those enhancements.

Hey, I am hoping that when MorphOS splits into seperate ISA paths that the new project moves further away from our roots.
Primarily because I rarely use any legacy software these days, and when I do it is purely for nostalgic reasons.

[Iggy]

I suppose that the IBM POWER8, (64-bit, hex or twelve core, 8 way SMT/core, 5.0 GHz, follows the Power ISA 2.07. Introduced in 2014)  just would never be able to catch up with speed of the ARM cpu.  I guess I'm just the old dog never able to learn new tricks.

I would expect it to exceed ARM's performance, but again at what price?

[Iggy]

Actually RPi is one of the worst ARM offerings. There are cheaper and faster ARM based boards available but they are less famous and people always think there is only RPi...

Glad I didn't have to point that out myself.
I frequently get faulted (fairly enough) for my negativity.

Personally, I'm not interested in downgrading my hardware that far.
However, MorphOS is a better target for that platform than Linux.

So it is really a matter of where your prorities lay, with the hardware or the software.

[Iggy]

curious  ..are  020/030/040  or  060   chips  used  for anything  these days ?? apart  from our aging amiga

Not really, '030s can still be obtained, but finding good '040s or '060s can be difficult.
When it comes to 68K family processors, its eaisier to implement an fpga.

[Iggy]

you mean by the time OS is ported to ARM, most AMIGA fans will spend their last days in a nursery home?

That is a pretty accurate statement Gunnar.
AND fpga accelerators will have advanced far enough to actual place legacy hardware in real contention.