Hyperion Entertainment: Clarification of Current Situation

[Iggy]

My main problem with the "NG" is that there's nothing NG about them, they have the exact same limitations as old AmigaOS3 and suffer from the exact same problems.

You mean like only being able to run on genuine Amiga, being limited to about a 75 MHz processor, with no modern expansion bus or video card suppor support, right?

[Iggy]

Amigas can handle 1.5GB of memory?
I mean, I'm sure the OS could address it, but I don't think a 68k processor can, nor do I think you could stuff that much into an Amiga.
Then there is support of html5, DVD playback, better sound solutions, tinyGL, etc.
Sure, Amigas with OS3.1 can handle all that, right?

[Iggy]

What makes you think so? Ask AmigaKit how many 256MB BigRAMPlus cards you can use in a 5 zorro slot A4000T?

And anyways, how is that relevant? My point is that OS4 etc do not support more either, and in being OS3 "compatible", it is stuck for no good reasons.



None of that is impossible because of limitations in the OS, that is correct. What is impossible is to prevent any piece of software from monitoring and reading any address in the memory of the computer, with all the implications that has in the age of online banking etc.

What makes me think so?
Because only the 040 and 060 can address that kind of memory (and then only with an mmu).

And, as I stated before, Zorro bus is too dated.
You want to run your memory via that?
Seriously, anytime you want to benchmark any Amiga against my G5 you'll see how rediculous your statements are.

[Iggy]

There's a few videos on Youtube showing performance.  I couldn't find a really good one though.  Maybe you'll have better luck finding one than me?  I'd be curious to see it, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pETp6EQ5wQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWDg8qSX1eI

Hope no one gets banned!    :hammer:

I have been banned before.
No big deal.
I still keep in touch with Franko (so does Cammy, and you don't see her around anymore, of her on accord).

And while I know that an original Amiga will with OS4 (with a PPC card), at an ungodly expense, it still won't have more than a fraction of the power of an NG system.

Also, Amigas won't run MorphOS above 1.4.

AND, when it X5000 is released, Amigas won't be able to have the ability to support what may follow (SMP, Radeon HD cards, etc).

You can try to piss in my cornflakes, but I know I'm running a better solution.

I have real Amigas, I like NG systems more.

And they DO have advantages.

[Iggy]

Should new FPGA or PPC accelerators become available, I would expect to see software introduced that would take advantage of the increased power.

[Iggy]

The only truly viable way forward is a new modern platform, with a user experience based around what we recognize as Amiga. This means throwing away compatibility with legacy sodtware, but it also means opportunities to reimplement old software concepts in a modern setting. And porting software from other platforms, and getting software support from outside of "amiga land" would also be much easier.

I actually don't agree with that, because at that point you might as well run OSX, Windows, or Linux and use UAE to keep legacy applications.
I can see "boxing" in legacy apps so they don't prevent future OS' from implementing features that current versions of our OS cannot support.

[Iggy]

Yes, and this is currently what I do, because nothing Amiga offer me a modern alternative. Sadly, neither OSX, Windows nor other OSes offer me the Amiga experience. OSX offers the MacOS experience in a modern setting, but I want the Amiga experience in a modern setting. Don't you?

In a way, I already have it.
Some of us like the changes in MorphOS (Ambient, Reggae, etc.).

[Iggy]

My understanding of things...

The 68k architecture supports an address speace that is up to 32bit bit wide, meaning up to 4GB. AmigaOS also supports 32bit memory addressing, however many of those addresses are reserved (chipram, various I/O) and cannot be used as FastRAM for the CPU, which practically reduces the ammount of possible FastRAM to 2GB. And this is the same limitation, whether you are running OS3 or OS4.

I am not sure what you are asking, but someone could make 68k processor card with 2GB (gigabyte - Gb is gigabit, 2Gb would be 256MB) and AmigaOS should run fine, yes. I don't have access to WinUAE here, but how much system RAM is it possible to add to a system config in WinUAE?

Actually, that IS a misunderstanding.
While the 68000 is 32 bit, early versions can only address 24bits of memory.