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"morally handicapped" - love it.
Thanks.
I don't normally enjoy defaming the dead, but I can make an exception for Jobs.

And I heard it was puppies, not old ladies.
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Re: Steve Jobs parked in Handicapped spaces and kicked old ladies?
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2014, 06:29:25 PM »
Fanboy Alert!

Quote from: Sean Cunningham;763746
They will put no dent in the universe.  He put many.

He made a lot of bad decisions as well as the good ones.
One of your "dents" has to include the dents I made in the walls with my head while servicing Apple IIIs.
Thanks to Jobs (who insisted on an aluminum die cast case) these monsters regularly unseated their socketed chips from repeated thermal expansion and contraction.
The proto-Mac Lisa was almost as overpriced as the Xerox hardware it was copied from, and failed miserably.
Anyone still have a Newton?
I could go on...

Dents? Yeah, dents, dings, and the occasional clunk.
But great marketing.
After all, what really differentiates their products?
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Re: Steve Jobs parked in Handicapped spaces and kicked old ladies?
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2014, 07:54:21 PM »
Quote from: persia;763754
Still with all the failures Apple is the largest computer company on earth...

Fair enough.
From what I remember, Apple first, HP second.
And Apple is the sole manufacturer of OSX systems, while HP makes only a fraction of the Windows PCs marketed.
Further, although I'm no big Windows fan, systems running Windows greatly outsell OSX systems.

Finally, size is no measure of quality, after all McDonald's is one of the world's largest fast food chains (I'd still prefer a burger from Five Guys).
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Re: Steve Jobs parked in Handicapped spaces and kicked old ladies?
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2014, 10:07:29 PM »
Quote from: Sean Cunningham;763756
It's either ignorant or disingenuous to poo-poo the LISA and Jobs while enjoying this website, any website, while enjoying an Amiga, a GUI, MorphOS, movies with visual effects,  CG animated features, smart phones in America...

I could go on.

You could...but I'd have a hard time reading further from the laughter.
You certainly do give this guy way too much credit.
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Re: Steve Jobs parked in Handicapped spaces and kicked old ladies?
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2014, 11:06:04 PM »
Fear of Steve Jobs = Fear of God
Therefore, Jobs = God? :angry:

I don't really get the whole iPod thing.
But then I've never really liked the MP3 format.
Whenever possible, I've left audio uncompressed or used FLAC.

But let's give credit where due, the success of the iPod and iTunes is remarkable (and, for me, a little hard to grasp).

Then again, the company does know how to market slickly polished, appliance like electronics.

That probably explains why the only Apple product I've found vaguely interesting was the Mac Pro.
Its about the only Apple product with real hacker appeal.
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Re: Steve Jobs parked in Handicapped spaces and kicked old ladies?
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2014, 12:15:01 AM »
You have to like Wozniak.
Unlike Jobs, Woz is a true hacker (and the designer of their original hardware).

Of the three common 68K based machines of my youth, the Amiga, the ST, and the Mac, the Mac is the system that holds the least appeal for me.
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Re: Steve Jobs parked in Handicapped spaces and kicked old ladies?
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2014, 04:38:11 PM »
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True, and it's too bad that Woz didn't and still doesn't realize what a tool he was for Jobs.  He still doesn't understand that Jobs exploited his work and left him standing in the shadows, but that is what Jobs excelled at....stealing the work of others and taking credit for it.

I'm liking you more by the minute.
Woz was never that interested in the sales and marketing side of the business that Jobs focused on.
Of the two, Wozniak was a creator of original ideas.
You're right, Jobs just exploited the work of others.
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Re: Steve Jobs parked in Handicapped spaces and kicked old ladies?
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2014, 04:52:28 PM »
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Here's a history lesson for you then...

Revisionist history at best.

"The Web began life on NeXT."

Seriously?
No. The Web was just a natural evolution of the internet.
NeXT hardware played a role, but not one that couldn't have been carried out on other equipment.

Were NeXT machines nice development platforms? Of course. Other preferred SGI hardware, personally I like Sun. Underneath, all based on very similar OS'.
None of them particularly startling in their originality.

And, as to your snide comments about Amiga fanatics, a very valid point was made earlier about Amiga having color graphics when Mac was just black and white (and it might be added stereo sound as well).

Frankly, you're just as tiresome as the Amiga fanatics.
You all argue from fixed points of view.
But the facts don't back up any of you.
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Re: Steve Jobs parked in Handicapped spaces and kicked old ladies?
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2014, 05:16:58 PM »
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And we've been using the even superior method of washing our arses since ~600CE. :P

AND wiping with your left hand, after all, you shake hands and eat with your right.
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Re: Steve Jobs parked in Handicapped spaces and kicked old ladies?
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2014, 08:14:16 PM »
Quote from: ferrellsl;763811
Wow, just wow......that's about the most immature and inaccurate comment I've ever seen here at Amiga.org and that says a lot about the author.

It isn't that important to me what he thinks.

I definitely did not play the kind of role Jobs did in the industry.
Although the firm I was working for in the '80's did build multitasking 68K based systems with an X-Windows based GUI.
Unlike higher priced Amiga and Apple offerings, our base four user system started at slightly less than $1000.

As Apple and PC systems have become essentially identical commodity priced appliances, I miss the days when hardware was more diverse.

However, once everything reached a fairly high of competence, the particulars became somewhat irrelevant.

Buying a computer these days is about as exciting as shopping for an air conditioner.

Software COULD make a difference, BUT OSX offers no real advantage over any competing solution. So if you want to pay a premium for your perceptions...

Anyway, at least insulting Steve these days doesn't get you a phone call (thanks to the fact that he's DEAD).
I still remember the conversations I had with the producer of the film "The Hurt Locker" after making the mistake of calling him a whiner online.
AND he had a point (film makers invest money to make a profit, without that, no high budget films).

So, if Steve is to be missed, maybe its not so much for his well polished, if stolen, product ideas.
Its those random phone calls that he would make in his defense that are to be admired.
"Intense personality" has many definitions (not all good), but Jobs was definitely intense.
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Re: Steve Jobs parked in Handicapped spaces and kicked old ladies?
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2014, 08:34:13 PM »
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Water pre-dates Islam.  Iranians have been using water to clean themselves long before the Arabs came in and tried to destroy the country.

OK...now we're down to arguing who figured out how to wash their asses first.
I didn't mind when this got personal, because I'm pretty resilient.
But this is getting a little silly.

BTW - Wouldn't it be nice if the Arabs and the Iranians both got back to the noble ideals they maintained in centuries past?
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Re: Steve Jobs parked in Handicapped spaces and kicked old ladies?
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2014, 09:28:28 PM »
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Maybe you don't. I do.

Como?

@bloodline - The OS'?  Definitely NeXT.  The hardware? Pure PC.

So Mac? A trademarked name.
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Re: Steve Jobs parked in Handicapped spaces and kicked old ladies?
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2014, 09:10:00 PM »
Good point, John.
And we didn't build and launch massive Saturn V rockets just to fake the rest.
That is patently silly.
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Re: Steve Jobs parked in Handicapped spaces and kicked old ladies?
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2014, 10:29:27 PM »
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as

Ronald Reagan StarWars program was so good that the Berlin wall collapsed and the communim with it which is not bad.

Bull%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@! in bull%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@! out it also work without "bull"

Ok i'm out vive l 'Amerique


OK, I will agree that that was bull.
But primarily because an old employer of mine was a black listed former Nike engineer who lost his job when he and several other engineers pointed out the math that proved that the entire idea of missile interception was fatality flawed.

And...I never liked Reagan.

But we DID go to the moon.

Or did they somehow fake that launch I saw as a child.
Pretty damned convincing fake then.

Oh, and BTW, Oswald shot Kennedy.
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Re: Steve Jobs parked in Handicapped spaces and kicked old ladies?
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2014, 11:18:49 PM »
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This thread, which started with nothing but a tenuous connection to reality has long since that connection. It's a thread without a purpose, like much of this board.  It's time I think to bring on the Spanish Lesbians™.


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