X2000 or sue ... your comments

[Iggy]

Nope. Sh1t, that musr make me "queer" too.

Now it all makes sense..... Shut that door!

Thanks Nik.
This nitwit, utri007, was starting to get under my skin, I think I was loosing sense of humor.
And allowing myself to be baited by an OS4 user, what the heck?

Sorry utri007, you're on the ignore list.
Some of my best friends use OS4, but you're not one of them, and most of them have the sense to have a MorphOS system as well.

There is no point in bickering, your vendor screwed up the chance for us all to be using the same OS (the better of the two at that).

[Iggy]

I'm 6ft 4in and i don't see how that relates to penii size : /

Anyway nich i thought you owned an x1000?

Damned if I know either Kesa, but then I'm getting too old to care.
Time to kick back and regain my sense of humor.

Oh, and David is the one with the X1000.
Sounds nice.

[Iggy]

Yes, AROS and MorphOS are based on the 3.1 API, but what is your point?
Even OS4 does not derive much from 3.5 or 3.9.

[Iggy]

I would love 'One Banner' for us to rally behind, but time will tell if that will be.

Matt

If there is, it will be A-eon, not Hyperion or MorphOS.

The OS' are very similar (thanks to MUI, now even more so).

Obviously, I have my bias, although I tend to think of it a a well thought out informed opinion.

But that does not prevent me from supporting Trevor, A-eon, and Varisys.

[Iggy]

Well what sort of contract does A-eon have when it comes to Hyperion?

 Surely, any professional business would have clauses that would require Hyperion to meet their deadline? Perhaps A-eon's should stop making excuses and start fighting for those who have invested in the X1000 so they can have a fully non-beta machine!

Since they included cards to cover the devices without drivers, I'd consider that sufficient.
Should they do the same with the X2000, I won't be one of those complaining.
What advantages do the on board parts offer?

[Iggy]

But it gets done.
How much longer for the SharkPPC?

[Iggy]

Why I ask is because back when Stefan Stuntz developed MUI4, he posted some progress reports where he said that he rewrote and improved the internals of MUI conciderably. But if I understands this OS4 thingy correct (what you and others say), it's still MUI3 but with some new third party written classes that resembles MUI4 based on info from the MorphOS SDK? Hyperion paid(?) for being allowed to bundle MUI3 (not MUI4?) with their OS, and then try to create a MUI4 API on their own, and then *call* it "MUI4"?

Seriously?
Stefan Stuntz is still around, isn't he?
How can they get away with that if they aren't patching it at runtime?

[Iggy]

So basically, they are calling it MUI4, but their license is for MUI3, and they are patching it to have code compatibility with our version.

And we copied stuff?

Hey, I'm all for it, but the attitudes need to stop.
There is no real proof Bill McEwen even really owned OS3.1 (and its fairly certain he didn't own 3.5 or 3.9).
But lets accept that as a given.

All our developers did was create an OS following the published 3.1 API specs.

Now, apparently the "real" AmigaOS community wants a chunk of our OS.

Why not just ask?

[Iggy]

SSolie promised "MUI 4, like MorphOS already has" except this "MUI4" isn't actually what he claims it to be.

If he were honest and said "We will be enhancing MUI3.9 with our own reimplementations of MUI4 classes from MorphOS to facilitate easier porting of MorphOS software to OS4" then he would have more credibility.

See here for more details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak

Thanks Nik.

I just surprised that these guys are this transparent with this.
Stuntz hasn't been involved in our MUI4 for quite awhile.
And there is nothing wrong with them re-implementing classes  used by our version of MUI.
But it would be nice to hear Stefan's opinions on all this, as all we will get out of the AOS community is bluster.

And they ARE obviously copying from us.

Of course, I LIKE the idea of enhanced compatibility.

Even if this willingness to work together only seems to work one way.

[Iggy]

Feel free to correct any errors, but please do it by bringing new info to the table, and not by some pointless "TakeMeHomeGrandma isn't a reliable source of info"...

Thank you old friend.
We may frequently differ, but that was well phrased.

[Iggy]

What scam was that? I have an Eyetech A1/XE. It's worked fine for the past ten years and is still working today. The only problem I have are drives and cables playing up. The A1 itself works fine. :-?

Not exactly Eyetechs fault.
It shares the same flaw as the Pegasos 1, a dodgy Northbridge that was released with some serious issues.

[Iggy]

Since when is being profitable enough to stay in business a sin?
And I doubt Trevor has recovered his development costs.
Designing and producing a motherboard is a highly complex endeavor.

[Iggy]

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=38544&forum=33&start=100&viewmode=flat&order=0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op6-ov8SruM

Yes, I under same banner I wanted to help Trevor and I did my best.

Its Hyperion why InI decide to swap. And AmigaKit.

Sorry dudes, no court, good ways ... but they deserve at least public shame :angel:

I too have some issues with Hyperion.
When I purchase an A2000, it won't be to run OS4.

And, TakeMeHomeGrandma IS a reliable source of info.

[Iggy]

I wouldn't back pedal too far grandma.
Outside of personal attacks and childish insults, the supporters haven't offered that much to support their assertions either.

[Iggy]

Bhuel, is é seo an Ghaeilge, conas ba mhaith leat chun iarracht seo a léamh?

[Iggy]

"Some unsupported Linux Monolith with no drive led. But I kinda like it enough, to be in debt for it" - Quaint.

Vague enough that one would have a hard time realizing you were referring to an X1000.