Free the Apollo boards datas online petition: sign it!

[Iggy]

I don't think you guys realize how complicated a product like that is.
Its not something you're going to easily be able to duplicate even with all the technical information.

[Iggy]

@Xanxi

Did you know that more people spoke English than Francais in the 20th and 21st centuries?   I guess most native la langue Francaise people have studied a lot of English at school, unless everyone  has gone to the Chinese lesson instead by now.

Yes, Chinese probably IS the wave of the future.

[Iggy]

Sorry to bring the thread back on topic...

What would be considered "enough"?

Is it the binaries, the source or replacement parts?

He might feel that source and schematics could raise up a competitor.

Binary files or selling pre-programmed parts might be a better angle if you just want your existing cards up and running.

You might also consider a bounty proposal to reimburse him on his investment.

I don't feel confident that an unfocused "give us everything for free" approach is going to get very far.

Enough would be a components list, the complete board layout (all layers), any manufacturing tips that might prove essential, programming information for any programmable logic, all necessary software sources, and any other information necessary to create new functional boards.

In a word, a lot.

[Iggy]

About those Apollo, a first step would be to have the CPLD code to program MACH chips. The schematics would be even better. The primary objective is just to be able to repair our boards if necessary.

Well I've always found the French to be xenophobic and somewhat arrogant.
And they share my government's unsettling willingness to sell arms to dangerous countries.
But then, I guess we're more similar then I like to think about.
In fact, if it wasn't for the King the French decided to behead, our own revolution would not have been successful.

On the CPLD code, without that the device could not be built.

[Iggy]

French are proud and independant but not arrogant, and certainly no more xenophobic than any other people around the world. Some would say that USA are arrogant, racist and imperialist. However i don't, because i am educated enough to know american history and key figures from George Washington and Benjamin Franklin to Henry Kissinger to understand the heart of Americans and even sometimes feel like one of them (actually i do admire a lot Abraham Lincoln but really despise Kissinger).
And this goes for any other country including Jens Schoenfeld's Germany

I agree that it is a shame that France sells weapons to any other country.

Sorry, you're probably right that the French are no more arrogant then any other country.
And Kissinger is easy to despise.
Also, as I've mentioned, we owe the French a debt for their involvement in our own revolution.

As to Jen's homeland, many of the people I interact with on the internet are German.
They're generally pretty bright people.

Still, I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the Apollo.

[Iggy]

This thread has slid on some anti french commentaries because some members have found inacceptable to sign a petition on a website where a part of the text is written in french, even if those french words are translated in english on the first post.

Perfectly silly. Added my signature.
With the tools we have on the web, we can translate anything.
And French (luckily enough) is a fairly straight forward translation.
German, now that can get a little weird.

But is this petition likely to have any effect on Jens?

PS

French fries, "les frites"

I'd always heard them refereed to as "pom frites".

[Iggy]

Jealousy

Not in the least.

[Iggy]

American tourists (and probably many others) can probably be pretty rude.

You want bad behavior?
You need Russian tourists.
Trust me, I work part time in a local four star hotel.

The biggest blow ups we've had were with Russian guests.

[Iggy]

You must know that in France, we speak only french... Watch me with my pitty english...

Maybe we are "rude" because of the language, hard to be polite & cool with someone we don't understand what he's saying !!

Your English is fine Cosmos.
And your statement points to a primary difference between how our countrymen act.
When I run into someone who speaks poor English (or no English) I try to communicate.
The French tend to obfuscate in similar situations.

[Iggy]

And I think that probably has a lot to do with it...

Americans expect people to be able to understand them (in general) when they travel.

The world is our EuroDisney..  :banana:

;-)

desiv

The frightening thing is, that since English is one of the most common second languages you usually can find someone who understands you.

Want to bet that when french tourists travel they don't keep up the pretense of speaking "only French".

[Iggy]

I could use this as an example of the thought that people "assume" that everyone understands English...

Sure, and if they don't understand you just speak slower and louder.

Actually, I'm not sure if its rude behavior or defensive.

And I certainly wouldn't want to hold up many Americans as paragons of polite behavior.

[Iggy]

It was not my intention to twist this thread into some sort of french bashing when I pointed out that it would reach a wider audience using english.

I currently study Multimedia Design at an international school in Denmark, we have many nationalities, russian, english, french, american, chinese and so on. I can assure you that none of them are rude in any way, in fact they are all quite nice and helpfull folks to be around.

Now, if we could get back on track, we might be a bit more constructive.

While I do agree with your original point, I didn't have that much trouble figuring out the French form (and I don't speak French).

On the original topic, does anyone have any idea how much Jens paid for the rights to the Apollo design?

[Iggy]

Yep Mag,
This was silly to begin with, so whatever its degraded into, let's have fun with it.

If Bigfoot wants pizza, why not fries for Jens?

[Iggy]

CrashMidnick >> I am to old for this kind of debating.

Ah, it could be worse. It could be in Dutch.