MorphOS ahead of AROS?

[Iggy]

I have both OS', and I'd have to say that MorpHOS is more polished and less prone to crash.
On supported hardware it is also more reliable during installation.
That said, I like the direction AROS is taking with 3D support.

[Iggy]

Thank god!! Sometimes comments like these are like an oasis in the desert. Try as I might I really can't bend my poor little head around the  "My OS rulez, urs suxxxx!" attitude, always reminds me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&v=gb_qHP7VaZE

Well, I can understand how you feel, but I'd have to back up Xdelusion's statements.
MorphOS is polished enough to rely on and AROS is interesting, and even fun, but not reliable (sorry Staf).

[Iggy]

NP, I think most AROS devs are well aware of the current shortcomings of AROS but I do think we have to potential to overcome a lot them quite fast.
It's just the old ethernal infighting in the amiga community that annoys me; and I have to admit this thread has been one of the less loaded once.

greets,
Staf.

Actually Staf, long term AROS may surpass all the other NG OS'.
It has the strength of a larger developer base and its open architecture.
Should a major OS4 developer burn out (or a few MorphOS developers) the other two NG OS' could potentially be devastated.

[Iggy]

lol I think Mazze knows that.


@Mazze

Trouble maker.

As for the question.  My Morphos box is the perfect size to level my dryer  Other than that who cares.   I use them both I however prefer my AROS boxes even tho they aren't as polished.   To quote a friend of mine finished OS' bore me.

That's why I let you guys lure me in haiku!
But, then again, its also why Linux bugs me. Its never quite finished.

[Iggy]

I don't know either! Iggy, Itix and TMHG, what are the MorphOS features/software that stand out for you?

TinyGL with its support for many OpenGL commands is nice.

The Ambient desktop is a big improvement over other Amigoid desktop environments.

Trance JIT 68K interpretation to speed emulation.

Native support for the FAT filesystem.

HTML5 support in Odyssey(OWB).

Really fast boot times.

Quick support from the developers (Fab suggested a solution for a problem I was experiencing within OWB the same day I posted the inquiry).

Support for affordable hardware.

Reliable, crash free.

Plenty more...

[Iggy]

And while I too can see a day when we might need an ISA change, right now MorphOS is doing fine using the current PPC hardware supported.
Yeah, I'd like to have G5 support, but a 1.5GHz G4 performs pretty good. (and its really cheap).

I''m about to move from my 1.53GHz accelerated Quicksilver to a newer MDD (which I'll also overclock), I've replaced my R200 video card with an R300 (which should soon have 3D support), and my other cards will move right over  (USB2.0, SBLive).
So, for a fraction of the cost, I've got a system that performs better then a SAM (almost as fast as an X1000).

[Iggy]

Nice nice nice!!!
What's your bus speed?

Currently 133MHz, but as of next Monday 167MHz.
I'm also sitting on a couple of R400 based cards that have been modified to work in a G4 Mac.

[Iggy]

2)Shaders....
 

Oh yes that would be useful.
It could be implemented in later versions of MorphOS.

[Iggy]

Impressive! It's amazing how fast machines with such low Bus Speed (by today's standards) can perform with the right OS/Software!

Actually, I'm amazed at how long we held on to such crappy expansion standards.
 
33MHz PCI slots? Argh!
If you calculate out the additional bandwidth, PCIe is a Godsend.
PCIe 2.0 even better, and PCIe 3.0 incredible.
 
Think about it, I've got a 1.53GHz processor operating on a 133MHz bus.
That's a rediculous I/O bottleneck.

[Iggy]

"Originally Posted by Digiman
Aros runs on all x86 CPUs from Pentium 3 to i7 PCs"
 
Yeah, if you want to run on one quarter of the processor, AROS will run on an i7.
Its a pointless misuse of a multicore processor, but it can be done.
 
"Commodore never made a PPC Amiga"
 
Who the f*ck cares? You guys act like Commodore was something special.
They didn't design the Amiga, they bought it.
And when it came time to enhance and develop it, they flubbed it up.
 
WE dictate the direction(s) that our community develop into now.
I, for one, am proud of that.

[Iggy]

Mind you, I do have a Windows machine for Video/Audio Editing, and Gaming, but I don't use WinUAE except as a means to read and write to my Amiga Hard Drives (SD/CF cards). It just feels wrong to use it for anything else when my machines are perfectly capable of playing all the games and running all the apps on their own, but alas, to each their own. Glad you are enjoying your self....
 
TRAITOR!!! He he he.

He he he.
I've got three.
And I don't use WinUAE either.

[Iggy]

Don't think Morphos or any other amiga-like OS is doing better in that regard; only their CPUs are a little slower.
Nothing is stopping you from starting 4 AROS hosted versions under Linux though

greets,
Staf.

Actually Staf,
You have a point. And I have an AROS box with a single core Athlon64 running at 2.7 GHz that I can overclock to over 3.0GHz (so basically twice the speed of my G4). But I'd still rather run MorphOS, and I'd really like to run it on a 2.5GHz G5 (I'm purchasing one soon).
And its not really the ISA that matters to me, its the API and how well its implemented.
Currently we have three NG OS' that attempt to re-implement the OS3.1 API, each with its own enhancements. Mine isn't perfect, but I prefer it. The other two aren't bad either.
I don't understand the argument.
All three OS' are, at their core, quite similar. I may even opt for a third machine to run OS4 soon.
But I'm still going to have a favorite.
And its not AROS.
Especially when its not finished (maybe not even when it finally reaches 1.0 status).
And certainly not when its crash prone with un-impplemented features.

In a way, the AROS development team is lucky.
Since neither OS4 or MorphOS runs on X86 equipment, they have that segment to themselves.
You'll notice that you don't see much drive to carry on the PPC AROS variant.

[Iggy]

Don't worry Olaf, I don't have any illusions, especially any about Amigoid OS' regaining significant market share.
And I'm not particularly worried that PPC CPUs no longer have a share of the desktop market as they are very much alive in other devices.
Further, I'd really love to see more cross platform development and support without so much of this ridiculous "my systems better then your sentiment".
I mean come on, do AROS users really think that the ISA is a significant selling point when there are so many more powerful options running on that hardware?
X wasn't kidding, most people would rather use Linux (or Windows or OSX0.
We're the mutants that want to run derivatives of an over twenty year old, basically dead, 32bit OS.
I kind of like the idea of running my OS on a CPU that isn't mainstream. heck, that why I find ARM appealing (once that becomes more popular I'll probably lose interest).

[Iggy]

Very true, but at the same time I don't think we have any software that is held back by that bottle neck. When we have such software (I.E. After Effects or Final Cut), then the demand for better hardware will be undeniable.

Well, the X1000 is the first PPC in our market that offers PCIe expansion (and there's still no software that really requires it there either), unless you count the meager expansion on the SAM460ex.

Consider this, PCI is inadequate for one USB 3.0 connection (it can only provide a fraction of the needed bandwidth), but one 4X PCIe connection has more then enough bandwidth for two full USB 3.0 connections.

BTW - As to your "I'd rather use Linux" comment. Do you realize that when you use an X1000 under OS4 you only have support for one processor core and 2 GBs of memory. When you run Linux you use both cores and can access 6 or more GBs of memory (not to mention better video cards)?

[Iggy]

Oh, to close this whole argument, "Is MorphOS ahead of AROS?".

MorphOS current revision 2.7.

Aros? It hasn't reached revision 1.0 yet.

Ahead? Yes, obviously.
Why does this matter?
Who brings up these silly decisive topics?