Second Beta Release of Timberwolf

[Iggy]

And, of course, you could always just use Fab's version of OWB which works fine and doesn't have any significant bugs.

[Iggy]

You do understand what a Beta is...

Of course, it means it can't be relied on to work properly.
BTW - I'm using real Firefox to post this.
Even when Timberwolf is finished it won't offer significant improvements over OWB.
Neither will have good Flash support.

[Iggy]

Timberwolf allows AmigaOS 4 to use plug-ins and also HTML5 support for sites like YouTube.
Plus competition is a good thing even in a small market - it helps make OWB and Timberwolf the better browsers.

OWB already has html5 support.
And will Timberwolf allow you to use Firefox plug-ins?

And in our market competition tends to eliminate  other products.

[Iggy]

And for myself, I will donate when I eventually have any money again (I donated to OWB, I see it as only fair).

@Rogue
Many of us appreciate the work you've put in on TW and AmigaOS generally, so thank you! I'm amazed you even come to this site any more given how many anti-OS4 people there are here, I don't think I would.

@Iggy

OWB only has HTML5 on MOS. Timberwolf does allow Firefox plugins, I believe, yes.

I thought the latest version was based on the MOS version.

[Iggy]

Thank you both fab & piru,
So we need foreign software, why?

[Iggy]

I'll apologize ahead of time for quoting a private e-mail AmigaDave and I exchanged earlier without checking with him first.

"I am afraid that the Frieden's are spending too much time working on  
Timberwolf, instead of working on drivers for the SAM460ex, or X1000.  
I am sure that Timberwolf is important to them, as it might spur more  
hardware purchases, but many people are saying that Timberwolf is  
unusable on any SAM systems and it may never be usable on a SAM."

Now that's the opinion of an OS4 user and advocate who has spent a fair amount of money on an X1000.
Again, sorry David.
But honestly guys, don't the Frieden's have enough work to do without this project?
Where are all the drivers for the on board hardware included in those two systems David mentioned?

This is not a flame.
I've considered an OS4 hardware purchase recently, but the priorities of the developers of my current OS seem much more sensible.
You don't release it till its ready.

[Iggy]

I don't know how anybody got this impression, but it is complete and utter bollocks. Actually, for the record, I haven't even touched Timberwolf in, I think, four months or so. All of the recent work was done by my brother.

I find it hilarious, to say the least, that someone claims to know how much time I spent on what project, when he is obviously quite clueless about it.

For the record, I don't even work on drivers. I don't have a SAM 460. I think my brother has one, but I don't. I have an X-1000, but I am currently working exclusively on next gen graphics, and I have been doing this for the last several months.

So, please, for f*ck's sake, stop spreading idiotic lies and bollocks like this. This so-called community continues to make me sick.

Lovely sentiment.
Now I know I definitely do NOT want to purchase OS4 hardware.
You guys are depending on this egotistical a-hole to develop your OS?
Good luck with that.

"This so-called community continues to make me sick."

Wow!

[Iggy]

This is Amiga.org, i.e. the site where the MOS people are hanging to slam AmigaOS 4 in every possible way they can think of. Every time when AmigaOS 4 is mentioned for whatever reason, MOS will be brought even if it is totally off-topic. As see you wasn't been here for a long time, so you didn't notice the change.

That is completely unfair.
I'd love to see OS4 succeed.
As the former manager of a business that built 68K based systems in the mid '80s to early '90s (Delmar Co.) I know what a struggle it can be to market low volume computers systems and software.
But, so far, I'm not impressed with the team developing this software.

For comparison, when my former employer Ed Gressick wrote his first video driver he had a functional version created in one day.
Porting a GUI from Gespac? One week.

And I can assure you that no hot headed divisive comments about our customer base was made during that period.

[Iggy]

that's exactly how i feel about at least two of your OS developers. i really wish you guys could just stay out of OS4 threads here. even if you don't mean to -- and i think some of you do -- it just turns into a slap-fest.

-- eliyahu

I never intended to offend anyone.
If that's your take on the situation, so be it.
From what I've seen, you guys want to act like OS4 is your personal club house.
Why don't you grow up and learn to take criticism constructively?