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Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« on: March 25, 2012, 03:21:16 AM »
Quote from: XDelusion;685126
http://cecilia.sawneybean.com/amiga.html

I don't really care who wrote the post, but thanks for this reference X.

I think I'm in love.

That woman is amazing!
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Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2012, 03:44:50 AM »
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The Amiga operating system is in Uncle Bill's hands, whether we like it or not. He bought the patent rights and owns them as of yet as far as I know. I can't really recall any official word of him selling them, although he did sell out some licensing rights.
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smerf

Exclusive licensing rights. Even Amiga Inc can't develop it (and trying to sell something you're not allowed to develop would be pointless). Which means that the Amiga operating system is in Hyperion's hands.

So whether you guys like it or not, there is a company developing new Amiga related systems and software that IS related to legacy systems.

Its a shame more of your fanatics can't get behind Hyperion. If the hardware was more affordable, I'd consider it. Right now, about the only positive voice you guys haven't crowded out is AmigaDave.
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Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2012, 04:45:21 AM »
Quote from: commodorejohn;685201

If I could reach you, I would smack you. I've done as much bagging on the X1000 as anybody, but for all my problems with the product, Trevor has shown guts and know-how and passion. He's the kind of person that deserves accolades for mere accomplishment, if we're going to be giving them out. Barry is a furniture reseller trying to make a fast buck off whatever gullible dupes he can scrape together, and he's not one hundredth the scrappy underdog enterpreneur that Trevor is (to say nothing of guys like Jens or the NatAmi team.)


DAMNED well said!
I have the greatest respect for Trevor.
And while I'm not a big fan of Hyperion, they are the only real Amiga related game in town.

I've never really been bothered by Barry's plans because I've lost most of my hangups related to trademarks (notice the system I use).

But a CUSA Amiga isn't really an Amiga in anything but name only.

The closest thing to an Amiga currently available is the X1000.
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Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2012, 05:57:41 AM »
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I hate apple back from the old days...
smerf

I actually really understand this sentiment.
Apple's 68K products were lame in the extreme.

Back when these were current, I was selling multi-user 68K systems.
The Macs lack of a CLI was idiot tech raised to its highest level.

Still, I don't have any problem using an abandoned platform for my own purposes.
And today was the first time I've run OSX in over a year. I had to test an R400 based video card I'd received and those don't even post under MorphOS.
So, in went the OSX boot drive, I tested the card and immediately removed the drive (with a shudder)
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Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2012, 05:55:17 PM »
Quote from: AmiDelf;685310
I would comment that the person who wrote this, is a wise person. CUSA is making shame of Amiga. Its sad, how they just dont care about the community. CUSA could help AEON with production of AmigaOne X1000 instead, or making an PPC Amiga into the Amiga Mini box they have made. MacMini runs MorphOS nicely etc. To be able to run AmigaOS4 is great and refreshing.

"Amiga Will never Die! Never!"

Well there is a definite split between those of us who are using PPC based NG OS' and the X86 camp.
Obviously, AROS would run on the new "Amiga Mini". And many of you have pushed for X86 ports of OS4 and MorphOS (and have been told that the former isn't happening and the latter isn't happening soon).
I don't think CUSA's market would be very large with a PPC based system.
Barry's just trying to make money.
I don't think that our community factors into his equations significantly.
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Re: Takers - Cecilia's? Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2012, 06:04:10 PM »
@ Dammy

We already know your opinion.
In the past, I've been willing to give Barry the benefit of the doubt.
But Mint Linux is not an Amiga operating system.
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Re: Takers - Cecilia's? Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2012, 08:35:42 PM »
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hi,

@Iggy,

[But Mint Linux is not an Amiga operating system]

I agree it is not an Amiga OS, but Amiga OS was an off shoot of Unix, and Linux is also an off shoot of Unix.

So they are all related and are as one.

smerf


Well Smerf,

Microware OS9 for 68K is an RTOS distantly related to Unix and my company used to build computers based on it in the 80's and 90's.

But I wouldn't claim the systems I was building were in anyway related to Amigas (except for the similar processors).

OSX IS BSD (very much Unix) and Apple's not selling Amigas.

And even current versions of Windows (since the NT kernel) can claim a slight relationship to Unix, but Windows boxes aren't Amigas.
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Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2012, 08:36:50 PM »
Quote from: asymetrix;685364
what do you get if CUSA paid for an OS4 port for the Amiga Mini ?

Not happening. Hyperion isn't porting to X86.
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Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2012, 11:55:06 PM »
Quote from: Yasu;685393
I guess we all have our own definition of what makes/made the Amiga great. I think it's the OS (loved 3.1 when I used it) and that's why I like AOS 4.1 since it remind me much of it. But except for nostalgic reasons I don't think you can linger on to now outdated hardware, no matter how good it was at the time. The classic Amigas will always be great and are still fun to use, but for me who wants to use a modern Amiga I think NG Amigas with AOS 4.1 will be my choice of purchase.

Obviously closer to my own sentiment, except I'm no longer that fixated on the name.

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                                                     Originally Posted by Digiman                             
             Here are 2 simple rules....

1. If it has no Paula chip it is no Amiga.
2. If it can't execute Defender of the Crown natively without any emulator it is not an Amiga system/Amiga OS.
[/I]


You don't seriously think a modern Amiga would contain a Paula chip do you? That's as unlikely as a new 68K processor.
While I admire the persistence of the Natami team and really like the replay board, neither of these projects is going to take the place of a modern computer.
An new Amiga, at least in my mind, would be better built on something similar to what's going into today's gaming consoles (with,ob viously more memory and expansion).

But then again, there we go with the opinions.

One thing I think most of us agree on, it wouldn't be a PC.
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Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2012, 01:33:14 AM »
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Never understand why you/others place so much significance on the Paula chip? It was just one of many components that made up the machine, yet some people seem to consider it THE defining feature of the platform. I don't think Paula was the amiga's most famous or 'killer' feature by a long shot.  The chip was outdated and CBM were slated for not replacing it when AGA was released.

Amiga fanatics always place too much emphasis on the chipset.
Personally, I was always more impressed by the Motorola 68K processor.
By the time the '040 and '060 processors were introduced the low bandwidth of the chipset (better suited to the relatively slow 68000 processors in the 1000 and 500) was, in some ways a hindrance.

And, sorry, but lets be honest, the long overdue AGA graphics enhancement was not that big of an improvement (a bit slow and cumbersome).

The Amiga, with its fixed function chipset is old technology.
Today's hardware has more flexible programmable structures.
A good example of this would be modern GPUs which have come to resemble massive programmable parallel processing units.

Were you to design a modern Amiga, it wouldn't have much direct relationship to it predecessors as you'd want to take advantage of the massive improvements that have occurred in electronics in the intervening decades.

So, definitely NO, a Paula is NOT required (and can be easily emulated via software if desired).
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Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2012, 02:19:18 PM »
Quote from: haywirepc;685437
... PPC is dead...

Steven

Its ALIVE!


IBM, Freescale, and Applied Micro would all disagree with you Steven.
As would the manufacturers of all three major gaming platforms.
AND I'd love to have one of the Nintendo Wii U's Power7 based processors in a computer system.

Its Alive whether you like it or not!

Quote from: persia;685476
@haywirepc

The Vic Slim is somebody else's failure that C=USA attached their name  to.  Who wants wires coming out of your keyboard?  And it's one careless  Venti Caramel Mocha away from the tip....  

I hear by nominate the Vic Slim for dumb arse product of the year.


Oh yeah! sexy!
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Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2012, 09:00:18 PM »
Quote from: Fats;685518
The Amiga trademark may only be used for computer which don't have an OS that is  AmigaOS4-like; Hyperion let it be known that they consider AROS violating this license requirement.

Anyway I think C=USA already decided not to use AROS before they could use this excuse because it needed investment to make it support all parts from their computers.

greets,
Staf.

I don't remember Hyperion making a statement on this.
Amiga Inc. is forbidden from developing an OS that is substantially similar to AmigaOS (so maybe they can't license the name to someone else to pursue a similar course).
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Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2012, 12:42:37 AM »
Quote from: number6;685536
source

source

#6

So anonymous posts on AmigaWorld are now to be taken as legitimate corporate statements?

If AROS is legal (and I'd be willing to bet that Ben Herman's thinks it isn't) then distributing it shouldn't be actionable.
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Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2012, 12:53:20 AM »
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Hi,

@haywirepc,

I agree with you, PPC IS DEAD, even rotten core Mac computing company came down to that decision.
smerf

I didn't know they had any say in what other companies produced.

Quote from: smerf;685546
What you have to remember is that their are some people on Amiga.org that aren't exactly high tech. If it was up to them the 6502 or the Z80 would still be running their computers.
smerf

Actually, that would be the Motorola 68K family, some of which are still available. Amiga users don't have much use for processors that were never in their machines in the first place.
(An interesting fact - Radisys just introduced an update to OS9 for the 68K last year - its still being used)

Quote from: smerf;685546
I agree with you, and I don't care how bad they flame me. If they would have gone either AMD or Intel back in 95 we wouldn't have this problem today.
smerf

No ones going to flame you (that's your job), but I'd rather just use Windows or OSX (since AROS doesn't even support SMP)


Quote from: smerf;685546
Quit playing around with old junk arcahiac soon to be obsolete CPU's, just develope an operating system for the average PC.  That is why I am believing in AROS rather than MorphOS.
smerf

I didn't know we were talking about belief systems!
Did you clap for Tinkerbell when you saw Peter Pan?

I just want an OS I can use, AROS isn't out of beta stage yet.
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Re: Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2012, 01:38:19 AM »
Quote from: commodorejohn;685562
That's all very lovely, but I don't see how it makes PPC "archaic" when it's a solid thirteen years younger than x86...

Don't forget, their other favorite is ARM and  that died on the desktop even longer ago (Does anyone even remember Acorn?).
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