dnetc benchmarks

[Iggy]

Really?

Freescale - shipped low end ARM for years but have been recently been phasing out other architectures.  Yes, they are developing a high end PPC for networking but they have also licensed Cortex-A15 which will be similar performance wise.  Given the massive cost of developing CPU cores I can't see them doing anything other than die shrinks after this.

Applied Micro (AMCC) - They don't design PPC cores, they mainly license them from IBM.
They have announced a 64bit ARM for servers that is more aggressive and clocked higher than anything they have have PPC wise.

LSI - Another company doing ARM at the low end.  They had started doing PPC but they also just licensed the A15.

IBM - Go find me a PowerPC that you can actually buy as a chip that isn't a G3.
IBM don't make ARM chips but they are on Linaro's board - Linaro is a company that does ARM Linux.



A high end A15 should at least equal a high end G5.



Wrong. Both the A9 and A15 are out of order.

Wow, before you make claims you need to research your facts.

Yes both Freescale and Applied Micro have ARM licenses (and I believe even IBM has manufactured ARM processors under contract).

Applied Micro has downplayed all their former licensed designs in favor of several new PPC families that are considerably more powerfully.
Their 64 bit ARM processor is designed to be used in clusters in the server market (not for consumer products)

Freescale has launched the e5000 core (with 1 to 4 cores) and the e6500 core (in 4 core clusters with up to 24 virtual cores).
They are 64bit designs that are much more powerful then their predecessors.  
Hardly "die shrinks" by any stretch of the imagination (although they are slated to be manufactured on a 28nm process)

IBM continues to produce the Cell BE for Sony (PPC derived) and is designing the next processor for the successor to the Nintendo Wii that merges elements of PPC architecture with elements of the Power8 family.

IBM still offers G5 level processors (which are obviously more powerful then a G3), but no further development has been done of this line because there's no large buyers.
Instead, they've focused on Cell and Power derived solutions (which are both, again, PPC related).

ALL current (and near future) ARM processors other then AMCCs server line are 32bit (rumor is that Nvidia and Microsoft have also licensed with the intent to produce 64bit processors, but no official statements have been released).
ARM at its fastest runs at 2GHz (although some may soon make it to the "high" speed of 2.5GHz). The majority are in order execution designs.
The A15 will never best a 2.7 GHz G5 Mac and newer 64bit PPCs from Freescale should be able to do that.

Finally, let me make a personal prediction. Even if Microsoft is a licensee of 64bit ARM technology, the XBOX720 is still going to contain an INM designed PPC based processor (and ATI graphic). I'd bet on it.

ARM has an interesting future, but its not there yet.

[Iggy]

@ Iggy

A Cortex-A8 (Efika MX) beats a Sam440.
A Cortex-A9 beats a G4.

You like long winded posts, but you never offer any proof for your statements.

I'd really like to see a benchmark on  the second one since it seems implausible.

I've known about Nvidia's plans for some time, but the induction of Denver is a long way off. You could have just posted a wolf type link (rather then reproducing so much text).

And the XBOX720? So far, only news about the GPU (based on ATI HD 6000, now particularly impressive). Evolutionary not revolutionary. I'll take your bet.

ARM the future? Who knows?
I'm not sure I'd bet on anything (except seeing AMD continue to falter).
Against Intel, ARM has a real fight.

[Iggy]

However, I can't help thinking it's *insane* when people buying a Skoda at the price of a Mercedes!

That line, however, is hilarious.

[Iggy]

What you voluntarily try not to understand is that you can't run AmigaOS4 on the macs so all this is just useless chat.

That's just not true.
Someone leaked a beta port for the Mac Mini years ago.

Hyperion chooses not to support affordable platforms.

[Iggy]

Regarding the whole Moana thing, if I remember correctly Moana was a proof of concept made by ACube, not by Hyperion. I could be wrong on that, it was a while ago.

Seems unlikely as Hyperion (not Acube) controls OS4. Also, Acuibe would hardly profit by a port to Mac hardware.

BTW - Currently we're in a rut, stuck between the fixed points of view of TheDaddy and takemehomegrandma.

Frankly, I'm glad the X1000 made it to production and I'd like to see more AmigaOne boards (based on other processors).
Its not impossible that, in time, prices could come down.
And were Acube to consider slightly more powerful processors, their product line could gain some strength.

Also, Treavor has mentioned the possibility of a future board supporting both OS4 and MorphOS and I know Varisys is interested in Freescale's Qorlq line. If Hyperion and Aeon management really has separated, tyhen one of the issues that might put MorphOS developers off of cooperating with Aeon has been resolved.

In reality, I guess in closer to TheDaddy's point of view then takemehomegrandma. I'd like to see continued development of PPC systems. I have no interest in moving to X86 and would like to see a delay in considering a move to ARM until that platform develops more.

[Iggy]

Quite so - I just don't know how likely that's going to be...

Over the last couple of years the community has continued to surprise me.

I bought a Mac Quicksilver is anticipation of the MorphOS port and outfitted it with an SB Live card and an NEC USB 2.0 card (both PC components). When the port was released, everything worked fine.
I spent over a year considering what hardware would suit a new PPC system (even consulting Varisys, who's staff btw discouraged the consideration of the PA6T in favor of the Qorlq line).
When I first heard of the X1000, I was worried that the project would never see fruition as I knew how difficult and expensive an undertaking it was going to be.
And now its here, and it works.

Treavor DOES deserve congratulations. He succeeded against amazing odds.
So what if its expensive?
Don't like the price? Buy an Acube board or a Mac.
No one's forcing you into this.
The naysayers ought to be ashamed.
This is not a negative, its an accomplishment.

[Iggy]

Yeah OK, anytime a new motherboard of any variety is developed and released qualifies as a true accomplishment. And with people buying these new boards up, hopefully the investors come out ahead. So long as the investors are satisfied as well as the customers who bought the thing, life is good. Nobody knocks that. I work in an industry where it is preferred to sell high end because the low end bottom feeding business format sucks.

For me? Well I can go to ebay and pick up a different hardware variation (complete computer system minus monitor) for $200, install a similar operating system on it, say another $150 to get it registered, and have a hootin' good time. Lets say almost half the cost of the lower performing variation of the so called god operating system, and probably 1/5 the cost of the supposed god operating system running on supposed god hardware. And do you know what? My scraps will run surprisingly well in just about any mode of operation. Let freedom ring and ring for the little guy.

Yeah, I can get behind that.
My Powermac was assembled from low cost parts source on Ebay.
As were many of the parts in my X86 machine.
Phenom II X 4 955 <$70.
HD4870 <$60.
Asrock MB $35.

Both systems fly.

"Fat" AMD Radeon HD GPUs has plenty of stream  processors... Anyway, the latest Radeon HD 7970 has 2048 stream  processors.

Yep, I've been using Radeon HD GPUs since the 2400XT (and my current 4870 is still quite competent), The HD 7970 is a monster.

[Iggy]

If you are going to make logical arguments to back up your questions, it is just going to kill off all discussion in this thread. ;-)

:roflmao:

Oh my! Civility breaks out again.

Yes David, I too would very much like to use G5 Macs.

In fact, eventually I wouldn't mind trying to figure out how to get the last models (with PCIe expansion slots) to use PC Radeon HD video cards.