Why no new hardware for MorphOS??

[Iggy]

What does MOS license cost? AOS is like a 149.00 USD last I looked.

111 euros for the key that lets the system work for longer than 30 minutes w/o slowing down.

[Iggy]

Actually, new hardware has been considered, but with the current price of used Macs it hasn't made much sense to fund the construction of boards that won't offer a performance advantage over what we already have and would cost a great deal more.
As to power use and noise, I have a 1.8Ghz 7447A equipped Quicksilver Powermac which is extremely quiet and has a smaller power supply than my PC.
Of course when G5 support is introduced we;ll have 450 and 600 watt power supplies to contend with and power draw may become an issue.

Right now I'm looking at Freescale's soon to be introduced P5010. It's a single core 64 bit PPC that will run at 2Ghz on introduction. Benchmarks seem to indicate a slight performance lead over the PA6T.
The current version lacks AltiVec, but Freescale has announced that it intends to re-introduce this to the core this processor is based on. This processor uses less than 30 watts.

[Iggy]

Well, don't buy from doubtious sources. The seller of my Mac mini told me to be no smoker and that she cared well for teh device. 1st hand, Apple care, original boxes. It is neither smelly nor cratchy, but it was cheap, is very reliable, shiny, silent energy efficient (seemy mearures at http://via.i-networx.de/bench_en.html#uptake ) pretty fast and I needed not to wait until summer 2010 (and longer) but enjoy that device since more than 2 years now).
btw.
Btw. any comment on your attempt to diss the MorphOS G5 effort with the arguemnet of high energy uptake now that I provided you numbers? Where are your numbers for the X1000 then?

Well Zylesea, you know me and you know I'm a rabid supporter of MorphOS, but the G5 really is a power hog. The faster models come with a 600 watt power supply. Thats almost twice the output of a G4 power supply.
I'm not sure about PA Semi's product, but I'm fairly sure it uses less power.

However, I also don't really see the validity of the argument either. I live in a town on the east coast of the United States that charges a premium for electricity and even so the differences would not significantly affect my monthly bill.

[Iggy]

Very informative Zylesea. So I would assume the power supplies on G5 Powermacs have a lot of excess capacity for expansion items like drives and video cards. I'm surprised the G5s are that efficient.

[Iggy]

Gotta admit buying the PPC board was a bit of a waste of time & money really, only use it for the Frodo C64 emulator and creating MP3s...

I'd prefer to keep my Amigas 68K based and look around ebay for a Mac that I can try MorphOS on to see what it's really like, won't be abandoning the miggies though, just curious to see what MorphOS can do...

That makes sense. And there have been significant upgrades since the Amiga version.
Also, in  order to run, you need an RTG graphics card. MorphOS does not support Amiga graphics.

[Iggy]

Because designing and building new desktop HW for a dead architecture (PPC) in the quantities of 100-200 units is a bad idea, especially if it's worse off than what's already available performance and spec wise, and at 10 times (or more) the cost?

The PPC Macs that MorphOS already supports (or might support in a relatively close future) represents how far the PPC *ever went* on the consumer desktop market. That's the edge, and the end of line. And now when the PPC is gradually fading into history, nothing new will beat those Macs still here.

Would be a far better idea for MorphOS to begin the migration process to ARM, IMHO!

PPCs are hardly dead. They just not common in PC anymore. This summer Freescale will introduce the first two processors based on their new 64bit e5500 core, the single core P5010 and dual core 5020 (both starting at 2.0Ghz). And they've already released a roadmap showing AltiVec enhanced versions of these labeled T5020 and T5040 (presumably dual and quad core) on a 28nm process that should allow them to be faster.

So in the near future we may see new 64bit PPC processors that operates at 50% higher than the PA6T with twice as many cores.
That doesn't sound 'dead' to me.

[Iggy]

Although as previously stated i do like using Powermac G4's as foot rests, i do also run morphos on mac hardware.  I recently bought a nice Quicksilver 2002 - one previous owner, really nice and clean inside and out.  As an added bonus it's equipped with a 2Ghz G4 7448.
Just for fun i've got it clocked at 2.13Ghz at the moment.  Being able to use third party cpu upgrades in Powermac G4's remind me of the classic Amiga scene with all the different accelerators you can get.  

I've owned a brand new Sam440ep with AmigaOS4.1 in the past but I much prefer my second hand mac mini G4 1.5Ghz running MorphOS.  It's always nice to own new things but recycling is better for the enviroment ;-)

Wow! That would make that the fastest MorphOS machine outside of the beta G5 testers the development team has.

[Iggy]

that's why I back my important data up onto vellum :lol:

Personally I prefer hemp rag paper, but its a matter of personal choice.

BTW - MorphOS only supports 1.5 GBs of memory so the extra memory on an MDD or G5 isn't useful.

And that is a nice machine Red.

[Iggy]

People might claim I faked it:hammer:

I can't believe that the person that sold you that didn't know that the processor card alone was worth at least two or three times what you paid for the whole system.

Broken down into components, I could sell that machine on Ebay for about $500.