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Offline Iggy

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't love AGA chipset?
« on: December 29, 2010, 07:33:07 PM »
Is this very silly discussion still going on? Good! I'm all up for sillyness.
Why are you guys still comparing later generation X86 hardware with Amigas?
And PC and consoles. Were do you think some of their best design ideas were cribbed from?

Frankly, the only reason I not voting my total devotion to AGA, is I would have liked to see the Amiga move to PCI and RTG and continue to kick both the Mac and the PC in the ass.
And yes, maybe if there had been another major buyer for PPC processors (other than Apple) development of that technology wouldn't have slowed down.

The really frightening thing is that even without a major plqayer we're still here and hardware and software is still being developed. Is it just a hobby? Well frankly that's what personal computing started out to be for me. Do you know how many people I had to convince in the early days that I had to cionvince that they didn't need a computer to balance their checkbook? Hey, we were all convinced that one day everyone would be using them, but what for? That took a long time AND the process of elimination (of bad idea/software) to get to where we are today - with real ptactical utility and valid justififable trasons for perchasing and using a computer.

A hobby? Well I use an NG system everyday and use my multicore X86-64 system, on average, about once every week or two.  I'm posting this on it right now and if you've seen my Ambient screenshot on the other threads you know the display is just as good as PC, Mac, or Linux can offer. So if I can use it for the same practical uses as any other modern PC, is it a hobby?

Maybe in part it still is, besause unlike the shepple I'm willing to still do a little hacking, learn a little about my system, and use something other than a mainstream system. Come to think of it, that what a lot of users of alternative systems (like the Amiga) were willing to do. If you have to devote more time to it and your still considered a hobbist is that even fair. Hey, I guess if I can't avoid it, I'll wear the badge with pride, I was one of the hobbists who help figure out what made computers practical (you punks).

Pat yourself on the back Amiga users. EVERYTHING out there computers, tablets, cell phones, etc does not have a display that looks like an early PC. It ALL resembles Amiga.

And get over this inferiority complex. Some of the brightest people I know are developing in our Market. Do you really think MorphOS would look that good with only a few hundred paying licensees if it wasn't being maintained by some brilliant minds? How in the world did something as slick as AOS4 get written by primarily two guys (do you know how many programmers Microsoft employs)? AROS? Well, kudos guys. I really doubted that you'd ever be able to pull that one off and it looks like you'll suceed. And the Natami., well I've had my differences with Gunnar, but he Thomas and the rest off the team are sharp and they are going to produce something impressive. Then thers Clone A, Replay, Minimig, hey this rant could go on a long time.

We are still here and development continue. If you want to call it a hobby I would not be insulted by that. Several of the richest people in our country started out as computer hobbyist. Do we have a future? As sure as Microsoft, Apple, and Intel can still make mistakes, of course we do.

Me? I', an anarchist at heart and hope an open system (maybe ARM and Linux) takes them all down. But why couldn't it be ARM and AOS?
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't love AGA chipset?
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2010, 03:30:23 AM »
Quote from: fishy_fiz;602784
An i7 isnt required to outdo either xbox360 or ps3, an i5, am3, or even core2 based cpu is significantly more powerful.... here in australia a ps3 is $469....

quad core 3.2 ghz athlon2 = $100
mobo = $45
blu ray/dvd burnber combo drive = $50
4 gig ddr3@1333 = $45
500 gig sata drive = $45
gf 450 1gig video card = $115


Total price is $400 australian, a far cry from 6-700 pounds "minimum" (in fact its about 1/3rd or less. I guess including casing and keyboard,mouse, etc the prices are on par, but the pc is much more powerful and a lot more versatile).
I actually own an xbox360, and really enjoy it, but Im not going to pretend pc gear is comparitively bad value because it simply isnt.
Also the arguement wasnt for 2006, it was for now.

Incidently most ps3/xb360 games arent 1080p.

I don't want a $45 motherboard and I'm not sure about your video card choice either.
But most of your arguement is sound.
I'd substitute the last Phenom X3 ($69.95 in my country) as it has an L3 cache and clocks easily to 3.3 Ghz (and that fourth core isn't going to do anything for gaming).

Oh! And you forgot to quote the price for the case, powersupply, keyboard, mouse, operating system, and monitor (unless you were planning on using your HD tv). That about doubles your price.
So unless you can figure out how to house everything, power it, get it bootstrapped and running, and be able to enter commands or move the mouse pointer without these components your estimates wrong.
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't love AGA chipset?
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2010, 03:58:55 AM »
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Sure, but the total of the parts is somewhat under the ps3 price. Including a case and keyboard/mouse to the price brings it on par as I already said. Sure there's better options, but there's also worse ones (Ive not chosen the cheapest gear here). I guess the only ommission is an OS, but we all know how many ppl actually buy their oses dont we ? There's also legally free options. As for the component choices they werent specifically chosen, it was just a random system to show that $ for $ pc hardware is competitive with consoles (especially ps3). Video card is ok, and quite easily best card for that money. ATI has nothing comparable in this price range (even 5770 is more expensive, while being considerably slower). Personally Id go for a 460, but that's another $50.
Also a ps3 doesnt come with a tv/monitor and a pc can just as easily be connected to a tv.


Yeah, its close. I just wanted to point out that you are going to spend more (its inevitable).
But what you're failing to point out is its not just a gaming platform, its a functional computer.
Games are fine. But I want internet access, productivity software, video/audio/photo editing software and all the other varied things no console will ever do.
AND I can assemble it myself and NO ONE can come along and decide to deleat a feature I PAID for.
You gotta admit Sony's move was offensive (I e-mailed them that immediately after the decision - never got a reply).
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