CommodoreUSA site updated

[Iggy]

Well, the site does look much better.

Once he starts shipping product (which I'm sure he will), he'll finally silence a large portion of the naysayers.

I told you guys after contacting Altman, he's serious about this.

And the use of the Workbench name is a brilliant way to side step the Hyperion/AOS  trademark issue.

[Iggy]

"Once he starts shipping product (which I'm sure he will), he'll finally silence a large portion of the naysayers."
 
Hey iggy, did you forget about the 2 or 3 other keyboard all in one computers which he was hyping for months and then never shipped?
 
What have they shipped so far? Some zpc's with commodore stickers slapped on them?

And what about the other few all in one keyboard comuters they used to have on their site? (All of them were existing products they planned to just put a commodore sticker on)

Any mention of those mysteriously dissapeared now. Use the wayback machine to see the old website, they have hyped many products so far that just dissapeared and never shipped.

With that kind of track record already, I doubt any of this new stuff they are trying to hype will ever arrive.
 
Steven

Actually, there was only one all-in-one system, a relabeled Cybernet system Altman named Phoenix. It's still listed and while I see no way to order one on the current website, I believe it is available.

As far as the market for the C64, I might buy one. Why? For the retro freak out your friends that used to own an original C64 factor. Plus, if Barry uses the key switches he's mentioned for the last several months in the keyboard it should have nice tactile feedback.

I'm baffled at all the negativity. How many of you have suggested a move to X86 architecture? Now AROS users have an opportunity to run their OS on PCs with legally licensed Amiga branding.

Considering past history, I can understand being cautious, but don't you guys think you ought to give Altman a chance before you shoot him down?

The website looks much improved. The model lineup is now fleshed out. C64s should ship in the first quarter of 2011 and the rest of the line is not as challenging. Why not wait and see how things go? Personally, I'm cautiously optimistic.

[Iggy]

If you don't know what your talking about, don't post. When he first launched the website, he had two other all in one pc's one listed. One was "The amigo" one called "The phoenix" and another I don't recall.
"The amigo"  was a websurf all in one pc,  but hey for the extra 40-50% markup, they slap a commodore sticker on it for you...
 
and the other one, whose RENAME name I don't recall was this computer :
http://gizmodo.com/5163636/asus-eee-keyboard-pc-should-arrive-in-may-or-june-for-400+600
 
He had a fancy name for it, but yes, they were hyping this as a "Soon to be release NEW computer from commodore." So ask yourself again,why people are negative about them.
 
I suspect that as soon as people starting calling them out on their bullshit, they started backpedaling. This new website is just another attempt to hide their past lies.
 
Oh yeah, Why all the negativity? Here 's one reason :
 
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/commodore_usa_sell_amiga_all--one_pcs_hyperion_thinks_not
 
Want another reason? How about another forum member catching them red handed as having stolen most of their website word for word from apple.com (That shit was funny)
 
In the future, know who you are defending before you defend them.
Of course, the last forum troll who defended them so much got a job as their "Chief technical officer"
 
Iggy,What are you looking for a new job with a fancy title that pays nothing? This guy running this "company" and anyone who supports them should get a goddam life. Its a joke, its a goddam hoax. Anyone can slap a sticker on an existing product, copy apple's website word for word,or respin ubuntu, call it workbench and include an amiga emulator.
 
Take your head out of your ass. That is all.
 
Steven

Sorry Steven, but the article you reference is about three months old. Hyperion has no claim to the Amiga name, only AmigaOS and AmigaOne.

There is NO current legal dispute between Hyperion and Amiga Inc. or Commodore USA.

As for "calling them out". You guys are too CS to do this for real. The guy has offered to answer phone inquiries for months now and all you nimrods can do is post your speculations and opinions.

One thing I am certain about is that I have more experience in business than most of the posters here (and in the past ran a company selling custom 68K based systems).

One thing you plainly ignore is that fact that Altman has secured valid licensing for the names he's using. Further, he has invested his own funds into this venture and hasn't taken anyone else's money (for advance orders or any other fraudulent purposes). I personally am convinced that he's serious. Personally, I question marketing this stuff to jack holes like you because you're all a bunch of pretentious geeks that present too small a market to be concerned with.

[Iggy]

People can pick apart CUSA all they want, but what they are stating as their plan is both attractive, and actually feasible.  The prototype photos of the C64 case shows that they are serious about actually rebuilding the brand.

No, it isn't going to compete against Mac or the PC.  That ship has sailed.  I know that if the PC64 makes it to market at an only slightly unreasonable price, I will buy one.  It is certainly more practical than my MiniMig, and it doesn't fall prey to the MiniMigs fatal flaw of not having a reasonable case.  Looking at the prototype cases for the PC64, I have to say, it looks really nice.  I'm not sure about the F-Keys being replaced by media keys, but if they are not already remappable, that should just be a software issue.

I am honestly surprised that they haven't already just said screw it, and decided to forget the whole thing.  I am glade they didn't.

Thanks Belial6,
A little bit of sanity. ""I will buy one." Yep, I'd be willing to bet you're not alone.

[Iggy]

"Fact" - You're still voicing your unsupported opinion.
And "fact" you're still a jag off.

[Iggy]

Agreed. And at least C=USA is not trying to make off-the-shelf XMOS chips anyone can pop into their PC via USB for a couple of bucks pass as "custom chips, just like in the old days".

A good point. Perhaps the days of proprietary chips differentiating products are gone.

If the new 'Amiga' uses off the shelf components, is that so bad?

[Iggy]

Unsupported facts? Everything I wrote can be verified by internet caches
and searches. BTW, I just called their phone # again... Yeah its still a voicemail box.
 
You know last time a user was so blindly posting such positive things about them on this forum, He became their "chief technical officer". (or was before he even started posting) I'm starting to wonder who you are, or really are. If your really truly genuine in your support I'm sorry, I just don't see how you can ignore the history there so far.
 
Iggy, come on man if you were an on the level fair guy, you would at least concede that it looks really shady for them so far. Ask any person knowledgable on this forum, my fact list is not unsupported opinion, its 100% the facts of what has happened so far.
 
I feel sorry for you if you really don't see that.

Steven

Yes, it LOOKS shady, but the impression doesn't fit the facts. If it were a con, then there would be some boone to the con artist. Here there isn', so until proveed otherwise, I withhold my opinion.

[Iggy]

...and they are doing it so that you *won't have to*! And with an *official* Commodore Amiga brand, for those who are into those kind of things!

Yes, 'official branding' has never been important to me. I use MorphOS with Amiga ftp and scanner software and I never concerned myself as to whether or not I'm using a 'real Amiga'.

[Iggy]

I'm shocked actually. While I am still not crazy about using community art without permission, I may have to take a 180 on my opinion. That is certainly a lot more than slapping a label on a Zpc.

Thanks for the input, red. As I'm sure you're aware, others respect your opinion.
Guys, I had to drop out of this for a while (and go to work).

Coming back into this thread, its nice to see so many posts that are giving CUSA the benefit of the doubt.

If successful, this venture brings back trademarks that have sat unused for too long. Personally, I wish them good luck.

[Iggy]

So far, I haven't seen anyone complain about their art work being stolen.

And when this non-issue has come up in the past, Barry has stated that if it was an issue then he'd hoped the IP holder would contact him so that he could negotiate compensation.

You guys are awfully preachy when you mention this.

I think you're grasping at straws to justify your prejudiced opinions.

[Iggy]

I don't understand how having the legal right to use the name makes these products any more appealing.

Then you don't understand why people would buy boing ball mice or keyboards either (but they do).

Looking at the artwork, the 1000, 2000 and 3000 look a lot like black Amigas. With Commodore and Amiga logos, I can see the appeal.

[Iggy]

If you check their website under products...
 
Thats lets see thats 5 computers listed then 2 more in the future models section...
 
There was the "amigo" the websurf all in one keyboard computer that mysteriously disappeared from their new site, along with the other slap a sticker on it and call it a commodore model ( That one was really the eee all in one pc with built in lcd screen)
 
So thats lets see thats 9 computers announced and hyped up and announced as "coming soon" since April... (3 of which were just slap a sticker on it and call it a commodore)  So far? They have had available for purchase just the cybernet zpc with a commodore sticker slapped on it, that only one person that we know of has purchased. Interesting, that one guy who bought one? That guy got a new job out of it though... as their chief technical officer. (Your kidding me right?)
 
Commodore usa - 9 computers announced in 10 months (2 cancelled or dissapeared so far, with zero explanation as to why) I think what happened is they ran out of stickers early in their budget or something.
 
10 months of hype and all they did was slap a commodore sticker on one cybernet zpc, sell it to one person, then give him a job as their new chief technical officer.
 
So lets see how long it takes for the other 7 computers to dissapear from their website with no explanation or get cancelled as products.
 
Maybe they truly had or have good intentions, but their track record so far just sucks if you ask me. Having good ideas or plans dosn't mean anything if you can't deliver. Real companies don't start announcing new products before they have working prototypes.
 
Stop hyping and announcing NEW products, start delivering what you've already announced and hyped up.
 
Steven

Steven, once they start selling systems, what will you focus your complaints on?

[Iggy]

Okay lets talk again when they actually have available for purchase all 7 of the computers on their current website, and the "NEW OS" available. Thats 8 new products they have to release. They better get busy, this could take years.
 
Steven

I'd settle for any of the models, outside of the Phoenix, being available for sale.

We'll have to thrash this topic over again if nothing shows up in Q1 2011.

And I'll agree with you that the "New OS" is over reaching for what is probably re-packaged emulation.

[Iggy]

Damn you guys are tenacious!

I can't believe you're all still tossing this one about!

Hey, someone has had the balls to reunite the Commodore and Amiga trademarks and is trying to resurrect a long dead business entity.

If the endeavor doesn't meet all the requirements that you hold dear in some fantasy of what such a project should look like - so be it.

Its Altman's project, and he's going to do things his way.

[Iggy]

Franko,
I was skeptical about Barry's ability to get this done for the 2010 holiday season (and told him so when I talked to him).
That was the main reason I included the qualifier "maybe even a little longer" in that statement.
And yes, if he doesn't produce something soon, I'm going to have to join the naysayers.

But I can't see the rationale in making these announcements, creating this website, and paying for prototype C64 cases without the intent to generate a return on his investment.

Essentially, what I'm saying is that it would defy good common sense or sane business principles.