Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?

[Iggy]

Again, no.

Too pricey.
Already running MorphOS, Linux and Windows.

And Amiga is just a name.
Unless you're counting old hardware (and then I'd rather have a C65).

[Iggy]

Wow! Tone, she's beautiful. Is that a '64??? O_O

Yup, rounded windshield is a definite give away. Super Beetles are still pretty though.

                   Workbench is a great file manager and neither mac nor PC offer anything better. You might be ignoring that most people on Windows use a norton commander clone?

That just silly. Ambient and even Scalos are better than Workbench and I'm glad nothing under Windows even vaguely resembles Norton's software (the only Norton package I ever found useful was Ghost).

[Iggy]

So, 6V system?
I remember messing around with a '67 that was all "prepared" for the new 12V, but with all parts still being 6V - it had a rather unique dynamo that looked like a 12V one but actually was a 6V one.

Btw - The pinnacle of desktop experiences for me has always been DOpus Magellan 5.82 - whatever happened to the OS4 port that was "promised", like 5 years ago or so?

Yes, I remember my mother had a '65 with a 6V electrical system.

My personal favorite Beetle moment was buying a '70 from a friend's older brother and throwing a can of fix-a-flat in the back because the  tires didn't look so good.
Driving home with the heat on, I couldn't figure out what the periodic ticking sound was. that is, until there was a loud explosion from the back and slimy rubbery sealant everywhere (as well as instant tinnitus on my part).

Never put a pressurized can of anything on the back seat floor of a Beetle! Hot air from the heating system caused the fix-a-flat can to explode (laid it flat from seam to seam). Man that stuff hard to get off of surfaces!

[Iggy]

The loud "PLING!" as the bottom of the container went from concave to convex didn't give you a hint? :lol:

Yes, that was confusing, but it was the repeated ticking sounds that were really bugging me (the seam slowly giving way). Damn, I bought a lemon - blammo!

Not the dumbest thing I've ever done in my life, but one of the loudest.

[Iggy]

And by the time you have your Aston Martin, I will have my turbocharged VW (a dirt cheap G5 Mac under MorphOS) and I will sill keep up with you (while spending a lot less). And of course the AROS users will be reminding the both of us that their machines are faster.

[Iggy]

no l be going 100 mphs sideways with smoke pouring of the tires like in top gear
actually to tell the truth l rather have vtr 1000 honda twin with two bothers racing
pipes oh yeah..... but thats what l mean its what exites you....... its not the numbers

its the x factor its being alive like mr clarkson says alot the worst car is the best car.
wonder what aros car is maybe souped up lada with racing pipe and bread bin on the bonnet

This is amusing, but guess what? I've actually got a US spec VFR750R (aka RC30) in my garage (no I'm not kidding).
I do like Honda's new V4 Sport-Tourer though.
Fast is fun, but efficient is better.
I actually like the X1000. I have had previous contact with the company that designed it (and admire their work).
But since the X1000 is overpriced (although considering the economies of its production's scale - its reasonable), I'll still take the Mac.

Actually, a Lada with a good stout Fiat 124 engine probably would move well. I have a lot of fond memories of the Fiat 124 Spyder.

[Iggy]

Each to htier own though.

Absolutely! I hope somebody buys X1000s (I'm just not selling the bike for one). And if you're leaning toward AOS and you can't afford an X1000, look at older hardware or consider an Acube motherboard,

I pray the developments team behind AOS4 and AROS continue to prosper.

I've never really found those markets a threat or even thought of them as competitors. Even if I use an MOS system, I want to wish these other Amiga users (and descendant systems) well. Software written for any Amiga system, old or next generation (regardless of variety) tends to get ported across all platforms and the more users we have the more successful our future will be.

[Iggy]

Now all of you, lay off Franko.

Where else am I going to learn such useful phrases? "Gobshite", ah man I love that one.

[Iggy]

Which brings us to the point of why the X1000 costs so much even though its built from parts that were not specifically designed for it.

Number/Volume, say it anyway you'd like, but the Amiga market is SMALL.

Low volume=high prices

Simple, isn't it?

Just think, if there was larger potential market.

First, prices would lower.
Second, if the market was large enough, a custom processor (Like Sony's and Microsoft's) could be commissioned.
Third and most importantly, the stranglehold X86 has on personal computers might be loosened and we could provide a viable alternative system.

Then again, Nah that never happening!

[Iggy]

It's worse than that - PPCs come with a terrific price premium over other non x86 processors.

Take a look at SBC and dev boards for PPC, MIPS, ARM or even Coldfire. To get to G4 class speeds typically costs you double or even triple what all those other arches cost to get you there...

The last chance for other cpu makers to really make significant inroads into the mainstream desktop market was in the early 90's. After that really the market was pretty much sewn up.

Yes, and the scary thing is the G4 is a pretty slow processor. Not much memory bandwidth and a single core. There are AMD processors on the market that sell for less than $50 that would slap the G4 silly.

And no one making PPC processors is going to tout their products as competitive in the PC market. The fastest PPCs are made by IBM and they're aimed at markets above the PC market, while all other PPC manufacturers shoot for embedded apps below the PC range.

While IBM could make a PPC or Cell/Xenon related processor that was at least close to competitive with X86 processors they flatly are not interested.
Trust me, I talked to the head of the division focused on Cell development. They only want to market their IP to companies they select for applications they approve of (read that as they feel they now where they can make money, and it ain't in PCs). Maybe their right, after all IBM designed processors are now a part of all three major game consoles.

Still, if a large company with deep pockets approached them and could guarantee they would purchase X# (read millions) of processors, they would listen. In that regard, IBM has my respect. They know how to remain profitable.

[Iggy]

Like

Where can I get one of those?

[Iggy]

lol. usage premium comes at a high price though.

Seriously, I would buy an X1000 if I could afford one. But I think the a sam460 is much closer to my portfolio!!

I'm rather interested in seeing what the SAM460 is like myself. Frankly, that motherboard's hardware is more in line AOS 4's requirements anyway.

[Iggy]

Why do all futuristic renderings of Amiga's look like all in one PCs? That form factor is not really that popular with PC users.

[Iggy]

Personally, I despise non stand form factors. I'm a chronic tinkerer and if I can't alter it I don't want it.
I could see using a laptop since that would have the benefit of portability. Using the interest from any location within the reach of my router would be cool.
But an all in one system? What if the keyboard goes bad? And I prefer older key click keyboards (noisy but it has tactile feedback), So I can't pick that component. And an all in one is bulkier than a keyboard (I'm not going to pick it up and put it in my lap like I occasionally do with my current system).
What about the other parts? I may have a choice of hard drives and the amount of installed memory, but everything else is built in.
So, no choice of video or sound cards. No expansion bus to add accessory cards.
Basically, once its obsolete I throw it  out.
That might work for business. They rarely upgrade rather then replace.
An all in one computer doesn't suit me and never will.

At one time everyone was trying to convince me BTX cases were the wave of the future. ATX cases are still the most common type sold to people building or upgrading their systems. Micro ATX is beginning to make sense as many of the components that had to be added by cards are now commonly integrated into motherboards.

But I really don't believe that the keyboard computer will ever dominate.
I'd be less surprised to see laptops and netbooks become the most common PC form.

Oh, BTW, coming from Delaware and facing the potential of having a total tea bag head case elected to Congress the year (Christine O'Donnell), please don't drag us into this. I can promise you that with the ammunition that people from that party provide from their own mouths I can make your position look asinine.

[Iggy]

Off topic here, but that's the current Natami board? It's tiny!

I don't think PPC systems and the Natami really compete with one another. I love to have a new 68K system, but its not going to be my main computer.