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Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« on: October 28, 2010, 01:19:27 PM »
Quote from: the_leander;587631
Holy thread necromancy!



Very well sir, I accept your challenge!

I see your 1Ghz A1, and raise you (drumroll please)

The Pandaboard!

Complete with dualcore ARM A9 1Ghz cpu, 1Gb of Ram and a display chip capable of outputting 1080p

All for $174 + shipping!

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go find something to mop up this puddle of drool.

OK, I was willing to ignore this thread up to this point, but that one really does turn my head!
Anyone have raw performance number for this (or the processor)?
Also, where can you actually get one and what OS' are available for it?
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Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2010, 06:28:48 PM »
yes Alan,
I'm with you on this one. Its a neat low power system with almost everything you need in a really small form.
What about expansion? The set up documentation shows the system connected to a host (primarily for storage). Is there any way to connect a drive controller to this board. I'm not sure I want to be limited to USB or complact flash for storage.
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Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2010, 11:40:10 PM »
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Nothing - except nobody shells ot the money to actually do it.
What about an even more minimalistc ppc board for half the price? MPC5125 is your friend. e300 @ 400 MHz all required things within the SOC except audio. Add a little RAM (say 256 MB) and a socket for an SD card and there you go. The chip costs only 11 US$ in bulk order and runs at a single watt.
Sure, 400 MHz is not really up to date, but for 50 US$ board it would offer a lot of fun... Put AROS ppc on it and you'll have an ultra cheap little Amiga.
Or if more power is required there are ppc alternatives. ppc is only dead for the desktop, beside the desktop it is pretty alive. It's only stupid to try to build desktop computers on either way underpowered cpus (AMCCs offerings) or outdated but very expensive midclass cpus (PA6T).
While a 1500 EUR kit isn't able to compete with current x86 desktop offers anyway this is a dead end. The key (as long as the no x86 mantra is valid) is affordeable gear, say 50 EUR (e300/400 class)  to 300 EUR (e600 or e500 /1000-1500 MHz class) stuff. That kind of kit is for fun sales. While it can't powerwise challenge a Core i7, it even doesn't need to try to do so - it is a complete different kind of product and no wannabe high end desktop computer.


I don't knpw, Zylesea, I don't think you're going to be able to get the price of an e600 core based motherboard down to 300 EUR. The processors cost almost that. And I don't knowabout the rest of the family, but the MPC8640/8641 works better paired with a Southbridge (like the SB600 used on the X1000 motherboard). Considering the complexity of the board, the cost of the processors, and the necessary glue logic the price would be about double that or more.
Now e300 cored products might be closer to your price, but they don't offer the processing power of the ARM processors mentioned here.

I like PPC processors, but I don't think we have any SoCs that are this compact, powerful, and low cost.
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Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2010, 04:00:30 AM »
I've spent more time than I should have researching the PandaBoard.

Since the board is designed as developers system its got a few rough edges.

Use of full memory increases the chance of crashes.
There are several other causes for boot crashes and run time crashes (like network initialization on boot).
The DVI outputs aren't enabled unit (nor is the LCD output).
Sound files and HD video still may experience some stuttering.

I haven't checked on how open the PowerVR GPU is to development.
I haven't seen anyone use the expansion bus yet.

Still, it does look neat.
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Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2010, 08:44:38 PM »
Congradulations on the house Zylesea!
Points made on PPCs are valid, but we don't have anyone producing boards like that.
And I don't think they'd be really undeer powered when compared to Acube boards (which use low powered Applied Micro processors and are a bit underpowered and over priced).

But Alans points on the adavantages of ARM processors  brings home some interesting points Since ARM processor are being sold in such high volumes (for consumer devices) they're at a nice low price. And, originally these processors were designed for PCs. While many of their current applications aren't in traditional computers, the devices they are used in have many functional similarities to PC.
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Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2010, 09:20:13 PM »
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Have they worked out if this is a Linux issue or a hardware fault?

Hard to say, right now they're just suggesting limiting memory use.

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Hmm, firmware issues for boot crashes?

Again, currently the network initialization problem's cause is unknown. But they did list some potential work arounds so they probaly have a clue.

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What, by default or is it physically not capable of doing so?


DVI and LCD just haven't been enabled yet.

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Codec]/driver/scheduling conflicts within the kernel. Given similar issues being noted with other similarly powerful hardware I'd be inclined to look at drivers being the culprit with HD video/sound issues.

Definately just teething problems. I'm sure they can work this out.

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There is apparently a public SDK.

That's surprising and a real bonus. After all
 ATI and Nvidia pretty much  keeps every one in the dark.

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What does the expansion bus offer that isn't onboard?

Nothing except drive controllers and the possobility of future expansion. And it has an expansion bus (which appears to be similar to another board I've seen) which is certainly positive. In fact, this board is amazingly complete right down to a substainial amount of memory. That's why I'm so impressed
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Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2010, 12:46:31 AM »
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No, now you're comparing apples to oranges.  My point was that the Commodore A3000 compared quite favorably in price and performance to Apple 68030 Macs.  And you have to remember that back in those days, 1 MB of RAM went for several hundred dollars.  So comparing a 386SX 25Mhz, 1 MB RAM running MS-DOS with CGA graphics and 1 MB RAM isn't directly comparable in price or performance to a 68030 25Mhz, 2MB RAM, and multi-tasking OS and graphics above an beyond anything available to the x86 world.

Even when comparing like-processors such as a discontinued MAC G5 with the X1000, anyone can see that the X1000 is vastly overpriced and underpowered.  The X1000 fails to light any fires or blaze any new trails, except in the outrageously overpriced hardware department.  It's doubtful that it will even reach the market.  It's funny that Adam Kowalczyk of ACK Software Controls was developing an almost identical platform as the X1000 in 2007 at nearly half the price of an X1000.  Matter of fact, I believe that the X1000 is Adam's 2007 project in a different wrapper and a higher price.  See specs here:  http://www.osnews.com/story/17866


Maybe you shouldn't think so much. ACK Software Controls has nothing to do with this project. Perhaps Treavor picked that particular CPU because it appealed to him, or he thought there was some contunuity in that choice. I discussed PPC designs with the head of the firm that designed Xena for A-eon. At the time he suggested Freescale communications PPC processors (rather than PA Semi's PA6T).  
The only real mystery (beyond why they choose a dead end processor) is where A-eon is getting these processors?
And the power comparison isn't as valid as what is pointed to by your post.
The Amiga 3000 was produced for a more limited market by one company. 386 motherboards/systems were produced many manufacturers for a larger, more competive market.

I don't know why you guys expect PPC motherboards produced in comparitively TINY quantities to even come close to the prices mass marketed X86 systems.

It's not going to happen. Even if we had a market as large as Apple's, our costs would still be higher than X86 producers.
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Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2010, 02:17:52 AM »
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My level of thought in this matter is just fine.  Maybe it's your lack of research and your lack of thought that has you believing that the X1000 is such a wonderful deal?  And I don't care if ACK has anything to do with the X1000 project or not.  But ACK was able to come up with a design similar to the X1000 three years ago at half the price!  If anyone believes that A-Eon is developing the X1000 out of the goodness of their hearts or "for the good of the community" they are gravely mistaken.

Once again, you want to keep comparing apples to oranges.  I don't care about the cost performance comparisons between a 386 and a 68030 based system from nearly 20 yrs ago.  But when someone tells me that $3500 USD for an X1000 is a good deal and the price to performance ratio is also good, I know they're full of baloney.  And the economies of scale argument you're using doesn't hold true either.  Low-volume development boards such as the Panda and the Beagle cost a fraction of the asking price of an X1000 and they're available now, not vaporware,.  You must have some financial interest in A-Eon for you to cling so valiantly to your "belief" that the X1000 is such a fabulous deal......Believe what you want, because those of us on this forum who've put a great deal of thought and research into the X1000 aren't buying it, pun intended!

Well at least your posts are amuzing. I checked out the PandaBoard after Alan refered to it. Its a neat design and according to poeple I trust, ARM processors like the A9 may support the same endian scheme as the 68K and PPC processor (making an Amiga OS much easier to create). However, like I've previously posted this is a development board with a few rough edges.
Now as to my beliefs. I believe that until the MorphOS development team announced support for G4 Mac, I was working on a motherboard design that teamed a Freescale MPC8641 or 8640 processor with an ATI SB600 Southbridge. Since many people in the MOS community had been convinced by people at Genesi and bPlan that the SB600 was not a standard PCIe X4 component, most people believed it couldn't be used.
Well, the Southbridge on the Xena is an SB600 (no surprise to me) and as I've mentioned before I talked to the head of the firm that designed the Xena before A-eon released the news of their connection with that firm.
Your paranoid speculation about me having a connection with A-eon is halarious! I never met, talked to, or e-mailed Treavor. However, everyone I know who is familiar with him have nothing but good things to say about him. And, unlike ACK, he does actually have a product (not just an announcement of such made by the always trustworthy Bill McEwen.). My only connection was previous contact with the designers of his board, a similar (if lower powered) board under design, and a desire to see something real introduced (rather than more of the vaporous BS that has always filled the vacuum in Amiga land).

And you know what the prime difference between me and Treavor is (besides the available funds to pursue his idea)? I looked at the economics of it and decided it didn't make sense to move forward. The processors for the initial test boards were already in my hands (thanks to Freescale) and I was in the process of moving from schematics into circuit layout when the first real hurdle came. Roughly calculated, it was going to cost me about $10,000 just to get past the prototype phase. Once in production, the boards would be fairly expensive (about what Acube is quoting for their new board - lower than the X1000, but still expensive). The market was limited. I was primarily interested in the MorphOS market. I didn't have the money to pay the MOS team to port their OS to the board. I couldn't count on Hyperion supporting the board.
And most importantly, there would be plenty of nimrods with no understanding of basic economics questioning my motives and character, the value of the product, and why they couldn't have it cheaper.

Well. I'm not mortgaging my house to get abuse from a bunch of ungrateful , self centered hobbyists while I invest my time and resources in a venture that would be more about what I personally wanted (rather than what we were all likely to get).
Am I going to buy an X1000? No.
Should you buy an X1000? Probably not (unless you have to have the best PPC platform for AOS).
What am I going to do instead? Stick with MorphOS on my Powermac, and when its ready add a Powerbook to my collection. Hope for a future G5 port..

Do I care about your opinion? I wouldn't be here if I wasn't interested, but it doesn't mean I care for it.
These posts aren't a contest (of wills, knowledge, or wit).
They're just a forum to exchanges ideas, information, and the occasional friendly rib poke.

You should take things a bit less seriously. There's no great conspiracies left in our market (because there is no money in our market). Except for CUSA, I don't think anyone left in this market is really motivated by money anymore, they're just doing something they like.
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Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2010, 04:28:46 AM »
Sorry if my response seemed a little harsh.
Do I remember the Amiga?
Are you guys kidding?
When it was introduced,  I was convinced the 68000 processor was completely superior to anything else on the market (because it was).
Was the Amiga high priced? Hey, this was before circuit libraries from companies like VLSI were available and it had how many custom chips? All focused on relieving the processor from tasks that the coprocessors could handle so that an already remarkably able multi-tasking processor could focus on program code. Amazing stuff.
Today's NG Amiga like systems have only become more PC like because PCs have become so much more like the Amiga.
Myself, in the late '80s and early '90's, I was managing a company that sold multi-user 68K based systems that out of the box supported four users and could support a fifth (that could use an X-Window based windowing system called G-Windows) by adding a video card, keyboard, and mouse.
We weren't aimming at the Amiga market, we were selling to business.
The base price for our systems started at under $1000. We also offered a V30 card for the system that gave it PC compatibility.
I can remember demoing our POS system to IBM engineers and getting favorable comparisons to the mainframe systems.
Its funny, at the time they still considered their own PCs as little more than smart terminals.
Via these same connections, we obtained beta copies of Win 3.0 (no, not 3.1 - 3.0). I had this GUI running on our machines (along with our own software) when PC could barely be considered multi-tasking capable (let alone multi-user).
It makes you wonder how IBM and Motorola could allow a second rate manufacturer of calculator processors to overtake them and become the leading producer of PC processors. I mean Intel processor were SO bad at first.
If IBM had just produced their own processor (but then all the original PC components - hardware and software - were outsourced) or if IBM had gone to a larger company (like Motorola) then everything would be so much different today.

I never expected Intel based PCs to become a standard. But then, the way they became a standard is pretty odd, an totally unintended anyway.
IBM didn't insist on an exclusive license to MS-DOS (aka IBM-DOS)
Bill Gates was smart enough to retain his right to sell MS-DOS.
And since IBM assumed that with a patented BIOS limiting compatiblity to  their hardware and software no one could clone the PC that they would retain control of their own market.
Between their BIG loss (controlling the PC market) and their second loss (as a supplier of processors to Apple) is it any wonder that IBM doesn't want a part of the PC market today?
Did any of you consider that those losses might have somrthing to do with their reluctance to market the Cell, its derivitives, or future PPCs toward the personal computer market?

Its funny, the company actually builds pretty good products, they're more open than some companies (Ie Marvell or Applied Micro), and they've managed to get the contracts to supply all three of the major game consoles with PPC related processor (two of which work faster than their last G5 desktop processor).

Do I remember the Amiga? Yes, everytime I look at a PC and more importantly ever time I see a game console.
What does a PS3 or an XBOX360 remind you of? Me? There CD32's in need of a keyboard and mouse.

The thing that TOTALLY pisses me off is this. Amiga? Heck its all around us.

Steve Jobs acts like everything he's introduced since he took over while Woz's Apple II was dying a prolonged death wasn't handed to him via Xerox's PARC program.

Bill gates likes to pretend he did steal his original product (not only did he, but what he didn't pay for was still just a shoddy CPM rip off).

And the first real multimedia computer marketed to the consumer market? Lorraine just gets no respect.
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Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2010, 03:55:19 PM »
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blah, blah blah...And just like politics, if you say it loud enough and long enough people will begin to believe it, at least the un-informed people anyway.

I woke up to this today.
Thanks for making my day start on a high note. Amuzing and Oh so very true.
Apparently politicians  and their backers think if the throw enough money into an election, they can buy our vote. They even think they can lie with impunity, waffle on possitions, and distort their opponent's records.
The funny thing is, I think their turn it up to 11 strategy may be back firing Americans can be lazy and ignorant at times, but we don't like be taken for stupid too often. You know in my State, the Tea Party (whoever the heck they really are) managed to rout the only Republican I was voting for this year (Mike Castle) and replaced him with national embarassiment Christine O'Donnell. (and I wish she would stop saying "I'm you", its goving me an identity crysis)
We, as a peoplw, can make some bad choices, but this year I feel pretty confident that altough its been taken for granted that we can be easily manipulated - WE aren't that stupid.


OH, wait a minute! This is an Amiga forum.
Your point about computer and electronic trends was dead on too. Often the best technology doesn't succeed. I hada friend with a Super Beatmax. Neat final gasp for that system. Unbelievably good sound quality, but very few commercial tapes available.
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Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2010, 05:17:02 PM »
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I don't believe that Americans are all that stupid either.  I think most Americans are just too distracted most of the time to pay attention to what their elected officials are REALLY doing.....It's a near total lack of oversight and accountability.  But your remarks bring to mind mind a funny quote that I heard recently that applies to democracies, lynch mobs, rugby matches, etc...., "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups."  Probably attributable to some conniving politician!  LOL

Thats a great quote. I've already repeated that one to a few people around me.
In the case of my State's own candidate, Christine O'Donnell, I like "Never vote for someone who looks like they could use the work".

In the end, we really only have ourselves to blame for the how our political system has deteriorated. After all, they only represent US (or they're SUPPOSED to). I think your point about our attention span is dead on.
In the country with the best set of laws designed to guarentee our liberty, we have forgotten our obligation to pay attention to what our politicians do (in our name) and to hold them accountable when they don't act in our best interests.

I think over the next few cycles, politicians may be in for a rude awakening. They've sunk SO low, that polls ranks them lower in trustworthiness than used car salesmen.
From now on, I'm voting for the candidates that aren't trying to manipulate me with fear, anger, or attacks on his/her opponent. The ones who are willing to state and defend their opinions.

And it is seriously time to restructure campaign financing.

But hey, in this year of yet another bitter, ugly political campaigning, isn't it cool how many developments are occuring in our sphere of interest.
Sure, you may not think this or that endeavor in the Amiga market is ideal, but we are seeing real developments!
And the cool part is virtually none of them have anything to do with Amiga Inc.

We have seen the light and realized that the name/license/badge is less important than aimming to achieve what WE want. And we have multiple projects all aimmed at realizing these goals!

Doesn't everyone here, regardless of personal favorites, get the same thrill I do when they realise WE'RE in control now?
We're not waiting for the fullfillment of empty promises anymore. We can be a contentious group, but I'm beginning to see some cohesion.
Regardless of platform, we know what an Amiga is, and even if Bill McEwen can license the name to someone putting stickers on someone elses X86 machinces, we know what it is not  (unless WE choose to install the software/OS WE have developed for it - and then maybe...).

As frightening as these times can be, sometimes things ARE looking up.
It might even restore my faith in humanity (if I had any left).

First maxim - Frequently (far TOO frequently) we can expect our fellow men (and women) to do the DUMBEST thing possible.

Second Maxim - Just when you're about to conclude that the entire human race is a bunch of misdirected F'ups, someone will do something not just right but remarkably well.

Third Maxim - The difference between the two? Just a little thought, care, and introspection. We are not dumb, just lazy and self centered.
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Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2010, 10:11:34 PM »
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That´s my point. Apples user base seems huge if compared to people shopping for NG-Amigas. If they sell their Power Mac entry level box for $2500 it is easy for them to put a 6 core CPU in and redesign the case to make the fans go extra noiseless.

When the Amiga 3000 was rumored many of my friends were hoping to get one until they heared the price. They expected it to be more expensive than the $1300 Amiga 2000, but they didn´t expect more than $3000. And of course - when the A3000 was finally out (It was late) they were comparing it to OS/2 boxes - that also did have real multitasking, Truecolor VGA gfx and higher clock speeds.

I think the A3000 is one of the greatest computers ever - I own one since 1993. But not everyone shares/shared my enthusiasm. I for one wouldn´t bash the X1000 for being late and expensive.

DISCLAIMER: I live in germany and the prices in my posts are calculated with different exchange rates at different times. They might substantially differ from what you were experiencing in your part of the world.


I'd say you've made a good arguement about the parallels betwenn these two situations. Further, the Amiga 3000 used a relatively common, easily obtained processor and had a much bigger market (and far higher sales).
The X1000 is what it is. A little too expensive, a little too late, and maybe uncompetitive with hardware on other platforms.

But would I take one if it was offered to me? In a flash.
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Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2010, 04:09:20 AM »
How about a 2Ghz ARM processor based Soc?
NuSmart 2816 40nm Soc by Chinese company Beijing Nufront.

Of course its not available yet, but it is supposedly going to be introduced in 2011.
Scary! Could the future of processors be found in China, not California?

http://www.slashgear.com/nufront-nusmart-2815-2ghz-arm-cortex-a9-looks-to-squash-tegra-2-video-14102190/

http://www.nufrontsoft.com/cscen.htm
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Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2010, 02:42:51 PM »
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California hasn't been at the forfront for years. The Core line was designed by Intel Israel, for instance. .

Thank God for that shift too. The previous banner carrier for Intel, the Netburst/P4, was lame out the door. I remember suggesting to a former employer that he get a Tualatin based PIII or Celeron as they were benchmarking better than P4s running 25% faster.

Intels design staff must have misinterpreted Moore's Law. They actually tought they could scale Netburst up to 10Ghz. I'm pretty sure Moore's Law applies to complexity, not clockspeed.

For a while there, AMD was outperforming Intel.
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Re: Another Retro Computer returns from the ashes
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2010, 03:15:15 AM »
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No, Intel Israel reworked the P-Mobile core into the Intel Atom

The Core chips are designed by Intel USA

No, that's wrong. When Intel finally decided to scrap the Netburst/P4, they incorporated many of the features of their Isreali designed mobile processors (which were descended from the PIII) with some of the bus features of the P4.

The Isreali Intel designers were essential in the design of the Core Duo.

The Atom, on the other hand, is Intels attempt to force X86 down into markets formerly dominated by ARM. Its not very powerful (compared to current processors) but designers have realized that many user don't require all the power that our constantly improving CPU offer. I really don't think Intel has devoted much of its resources to the Atom as it doesn't bring them the kind of profits that the rest of their line does.

But, give credit where its due. The P4 was designed by US Intel designers and it cost the company the lead t(in performance) to AMD.
Intel finally realized it needed to change direction and focused on the Isreali Dothan socket479 processor as it base.

So, yes, the Isreali design team was responsible for Core development.





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