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Re: Which OS Would Be The Best Amiga Way Forward...
« on: May 21, 2011, 09:43:18 AM »
Anyone claiming AROS will run on "any old PC you throw together" is completely insane.  AROS is pretty decent once you find the "magic solution" of what it works on HW wise, but I've never seen a more finicky mess of an OS.

Box 1 - AMD X2 4200/7800 card.  Aros doesn't see the SATA side at all.  Try and run off IDE HD's, AROS just locks up.

Box 2 - far newer machine, Intel quad core extreme, nvidia 9800.  Gfx card issues with AROS, but SATA works fine.

Put gfx card from box 1 into box 2, box 2 works half assed, but has wild banding and screenmode issues.  Give up, go buy beer and throw the CD away for another 6 months.

AROS 68k seems interesting, but still comes back to the fact I don't like using legacy Amiga HW, simply due to its' age.  Morph and OS4 both work fine for my Amiga purposes, Morph having a bit more "polish" to it.
 

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Re: Which OS Would Be The Best Amiga Way Forward...
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2011, 12:46:26 PM »
I use OS 4.1.  I use MorphOS.  Neither can do anything that my cell phone or tablet cannot do, sorry.  If you are looking to raise Christ in Amiga form and find a cross, blue or red - you're 20 years too late.  Many of you taking sides have not done yourself the favor of trying everything available.  I use an OS4/Morph/AROS machine daily, that being said.

We are hobby folks, using said OS's for fun.  I like both Morph and OS4, but I am not delusional enough to think that they are "next gen" and are going to storm the market.  No one buys a SAM to replace a Mac or PC, and same goes for MorphOS/legacy Macs.  You use the things cause they "take you back", and they are fun.  Quit pissing and moaning and picking nits.  I own a SAM, a Mac mini running Morph, and an AROS box.  End result - when I want to watch a youtube video quick, or check gmail - I grab my tablet.  The market has shifted.  The computers we grew up on, held dear and were extremely proud to know inside and out have been replaced by "appliance devices".  People grab the best tool for the job.

A mantra, whether it be Amiga OS's variants or mac/win/linux stuff.

Use what you like.  Use all you can.  Know what works best for you, and also know that what works best for you likely doesn't work the best for the next guy.  Have fun, and try and let the modern computer folks know that we didn't all wake up one day with 3ghz PC's.  Respect your roots, and the roots of others.
 

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Re: Which OS Would Be The Best Amiga Way Forward...
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2011, 02:47:07 PM »
You have a very valid point, Franko.  Your needs are far different than mine, and yours are none less valid than mine.  You use what you enjoy, and what works for you.  Fact is, there's isn't an Amiga - be it a legacy Amiga, a SAM/A1/x1000, a MorphOS Mac, UAE, or a x86 box running AROS that would do what I require on a daily basis.  My business requires more modern implementations, yet I still use OS4, Morph, AROS, and vanilla (legacy C=/A1200 hardware and WinUAE) on a very regular basis on my "off time".  I respect anyone that uses any Amiga variant if it does what they require, and if they enjoy it.  Christ, I still run an Amiga based BBS - not many people clinging on to "the good old days" worse than I am.

Point I was trying to illustrate, which you didn't miss in the least, Franko - was that the division between different "factions" of Amiga variant users/owners just goddamned stinks.  Near 20 years after the demise of the "real" Amiga, we're still bickering about this bull$hit.  You couldn't pay me to run legacy Amiga HW as my "main" Amiga.  It frustrates me fiddling with old HW, and that's my personal issue, no offense to you collectors of old HW out there. Likewise - I couldn't pay you, Franko (or other "purists" - to swap your C= Amiga's and 64's for more modern implementations, or a UAE box.  That's half the fun with this stuff - while it's not cheap in comparison to commodity PC and Mac HW, we got lots of options on OS's and HW.  I hope everyone gets a chance to try all the variants.  

Point being, despite everyone having their particular "flavor" of what they consider to be the "true Amiga", we're all on the same boat - and far too often we're simply trying to drill huge holes in said boat rather than sticking together and bailing water out of the boat as a whole.  Watching the ship sink while attempting to bitch slap each other over semantics about a vintage HW and SW platform won't get anyone anywhere, and I in no way was wagging a finger at you specifically, Franko.  The Amiga scene has ALWAYS had this weird polarization that drives the scene apart and into various "camps", it's not the 90's anymore: and we can't afford to do it anymore.  And yes, I was there in the late 80's/early 90's in the heyday of the Amiga.

Just my 2 bits, anyways - not trying to start a pissing match here, lol.  Just trying to illustrate the friction among the community has very harmful effects, just like it did in the old days.