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Offline spirantho

Re: Is AROS and AmigaOS 4.1 the samething?
« on: May 10, 2013, 07:22:28 AM »
I like AROS. It's very impressive, and open source, and really nice, and the price is unbeatable....
... but it doesn't feel like the Amiga to me, and its API is a lot closer to OS3 than OS4, but that will only affect you if you code. Plus with an AmigaOS 4 machine you know it's not going to have compatibility problems.
Also I don't think AROS emulates a 68k for OS3 apps yet, does it? JanusUAE is great, but not suitable for simple commandline tools and stuff.
AmigaOS 4 feels like home. 'nuff said.
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Offline spirantho

Re: Is AROS and AmigaOS 4.1 the samething?
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2013, 02:54:31 PM »
Quote from: nicholas;734377
I've never been able to understand why people complain about lack of hardware support with AROS.  It supports more hardware than both MorphOS and OS4, especially OS4.


Basically the problem is that you have to buy second hand hardware, and then it'll probably work. People tend to assume that because it runs on a PC, that it'll run on a recent PC - but that's usually not the case.

@dammy

Running a whole sandbox of UAE to just run a simple commandline app isn't what people want. They want it to run in the shell. And what about if you want to run a program like "Diskinfo" to get the disk parameters? That wouldn't work well from an emulated environment.
I don't think even the JanusUAE authors would say that running UAE for a command-line app is ideal.

When I say that AmigaOS 4 feels more like an Amiga, you have to remember that "feels like" is completely subjective. For many others, AROS feels more like an Amiga, for others MOS feels like an Amiga.

@wawrzon

AROS 68k is pretty awesome work. :)
Only having the API from an old version of AmigaOS from 1994 is not a good thing though - and in fact AROS has its own API. The developer should be able to use the lowest common denominator, but each of the three Amigalikes have their own APIs already. I too wish they were standardised but that's not going to happen.

I think this is going to turn into a red vs. er... what colour is AROS again? Anyway, I can get see it getting all argumenty so I'll stop now.
Suffice to say:
AmigaOS 4 feels more like an Amiga to me, and as a developer has advantages for me, but your mileage may vary!
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Offline spirantho

Re: Is AROS and AmigaOS 4.1 the samething?
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2013, 03:34:28 PM »
Quote from: wawrzon;734391
what? im not interested enough in x86 to actually run aros on it, but last time i tried a livecd on my i7 it was working. i really cant imagine, what do you base your claims upon..


Experience, and http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Platforms/x86_support ...

If you have an i7 system that boots AROS with native accelerated graphics, full sound, full SATA then you were very lucky indeed! Making drivers for AROS is an incredibly difficult process, so there's a latency between release of hardware and drivers emerging; hence most hardware you can get that's new isn't natively supported by AROS.
Luckily you can run it hosted, but that's not ideal.
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Offline spirantho

Re: Is AROS and AmigaOS 4.1 the samething?
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2013, 04:14:52 PM »
Quote from: AmigaBruno;734398
AmigaOS 4.1 Kickstart starts to boot with a text only screen and then an X shaped pointer appears, meaning there's a Linux/UNIX X Windows server.


There's no X in AmigaOS.... I'm not sure what you were seeing but it wasn't X.
AmigaOS 4 is AmigaOS, not a UNIX of any kind (same as AROS)
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Offline spirantho

Re: Is AROS and AmigaOS 4.1 the samething?
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2013, 04:21:41 PM »
Yes, running it under a virtual box is not representative of AROS. You need to run it native as it's a much nicer experience (and blazingly quick on most x86 CPUs)
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Offline spirantho

Re: Is AROS and AmigaOS 4.1 the samething?
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2013, 04:47:19 PM »
Quote from: AmigaBruno;734404
The name of it is AmiCygnix. It's specially created for AmigaOS, but is an X Windows server. Android is based on Linux, but without an X Windows server.

To sum up, the original Amiga idea was UNIX + Atari 8 bit + fun & games + 16/32 bit hardware = Amiga.


AmiCygnix is just an X server for AmigaOS - in the same way as Cygwin runs under Windows, so AmiCygnix runs under AmigaOS.
You can run AmigaOS perfectly without going anywhere near Unix compatibility - it's just a program written by someone.
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