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Offline spirantho

Re: How long will Amigas last?
« on: August 14, 2012, 07:23:19 PM »
My A4000 died not too long ago.

It's working just fine now. :)

That's the great thing about older tech like Amigas, you can keep them running. When a modern PC dies, what can you do? Nothing. But with an Amiga, as with other machines of that age or older, you can repair them. So they'll still be going in ten years, easily!
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Offline spirantho

Re: How long will Amigas last?
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2012, 07:55:41 AM »
Quote from: Thorham;703518
Not so fast! What about A1200s and A600? Their motherboards are the same as peecee motherboards, because everything except the Kickstart roms are surface mounted, and most of the chips are the ones with those tiny pins. Just try to repair that.

If some caps break, then you'll be able to change these on a peecee motherboard easily enough.

Bottom line: It's mostly the same kind of technology, and what you can and can't repair relies purely on what's broken, and whether or not you have the skill to fix the problem.


The 4000 uses the same SMT chips .... that didn't stop me fixing it. :)

The point is that Amigas have standardised parts that are the same in all machines, I.e. all AGA machines use Paula, Alice etc.... so there's lots if them about.  With a PC, you need to replace a particular part that will have been used a lot, but also thrown out because they're commodity parts... and it's very difficult in such a fast changing market to find a donor machine with exactly the right replacement part. To repair an A4000, just buy an a1200.

Not only that, but people are designing FPGA replacements for Amiga chips, but who's going to do that for a VL82C107FC or something?

Replacement parts for Amigas will be available long past the parts necessary to keep ok PCs running. It's not the skill to repair a machine that's lacking, it's the parts. Anyone can learn to repair machines, but very few have their own manufacturing plants! Thank goodness for FPGA though, this way there its hope even when thee originals have all gone.
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Offline spirantho

Re: How long will Amigas last?
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2012, 02:50:30 PM »
Quote from: gertsy;703611
I got a ZX81, ZX Spectrum and C64 that all scoff at your 25yo capacitor limit. Average of 30YO and counting.....


I bet you many of those capacitors aren't actually the capacitance they were 30 years ago, though.

Seriously, change all the caps in your Spectrum, and the 7805 regulator while you're at it, and see what the display looked like when it was new!
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Offline spirantho

Re: How long will Amigas last?
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2012, 06:14:42 PM »
Part of the "effect" of original Spectrums is also that they die quite often, and not changing the caps will certainly help that. To be fair, I've not actually seen a Spectrum damaged by bad caps (though I have seen ones that don't work because of them - but they've not affected any other parts) - but I prefer to be safe.
Some effects are best avoided. :P
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