I think.........

[spirantho]

It's different for everybody, of course... but for me Nostalgia doesn't enter into it in the slightest.

I've tried Windows, Linux, MacOS, Solaris... you name it, I've probably tried it. But AmigaOS is the only OS I got into, and still enjoy using it.

That's what Amiga is about, enjoyment. And I enjoy using AmigaOS 4 (and AOS 3) most, so I use that. Nothing to do with nostalgia.

To be quite honest, and I don't want this to sound rude, but I don't care if a smartphone can run folding programs at 10x the speed of an Amiga while singing Beethoven and finding the price of tea in China - it's not a computing experience to rival my Amigas, so I shall stick with my Amigas. The power, price and abilities of other systems is irrelevant as they have no bearing on my enjoyment of my Amiga, if you see what I mean.

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@Minuous

No, it hasn't. It's true AOS 4 uses more RAM to start up but that RAM is actually used usefully, not wasted. And the reason the apps seem to take up more RAM is simply because most of them are ports. If you use designed-for-AOS4 software like SimpleMail, it's almost as lean as AOS3.

@Middleman

First: welcome!

Second: I have to take issue with a tiny point, but please let's not let this get into a C=USA bashing thread - there's plenty of room for them elsewhere...

That said, I was a little saddened by Amiga Inc's stance against CUSA in not allowing AROS to be used and ported over to a modern PC machine bearing the words 'Amiga' - if it had, CUSA wouldn't have needed to go down the path of making their own Linux distro and this would have made everyone happy (that we get a 'modern' Amiga using the latest industry equipment on an established OS). I am not saying this because I am also a CUSA regular - it's just the truth.

That's not what happened, I'm afraid. There were quite a few reasons why C=USA didn't use AROS.

Barry is correct in that AROS isn't ready for mainstream workstation markets - he's not in it for a nostalgia OS, just a nostalgia case. He wanted a modern compatible system that looked old, which is fair enough. AROS is excellent, but I don't think anyone would pretend it's ready for the professional market yet, not least because of the lack of software.

The other reason, though, is that Barry obviously doesn't like AROS. He's made a number of very scathing and undeserved comments about AROS, which shows what he really thinks.

Blame Amiga Inc for many things, but not for this one, this is C=USA's choice. Remember they're not aiming at Amiga users, they're aiming at PC users who just like a bit of nostalgia.
A shame - if they'd run AROS I'd probably have been interested. If Amiga Inc had begged Barry to use AROS, he'd still have gone with Linux, I'm absolutely certain.

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==You think so? To me it seems he was always keen to get Aros running and only running into legal trouble at the last minute..

Allow me to quote the man himself:

digitex wrote:

 Played OUR cards right??? You're kidding, off course! I'd rather have a double root canal without novacaine, performed by a blind dentist using a rusty nail, before I would foist any of these cludgey, archaic, half baked so called OS's, like AROS, etc. on my worst enemy, let alone a customer.

'nuff said, really.

Anyways there seems to be a lot going on the Amiga-scene at the moment. I have my eye on the FPGA Replay....I think it's fantastic if you ask me.

That's the great thing - there's a lot of in-fighting at the moment which is annoying in itself, but the fact that we have something to argue about is fantastic.

This is part of why I don't understand the C=USA lot, though - with so much going on in Amigaland with AOS 4.2/X1000, AROS always coming strong and MorphOS 3 coming soon, there's a load of exciting things around the corner, and I don't mean just a blue linux distro in an old-style case. I guess it's horses for courses though.

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==CommodoreJohn, I know how you feel and it 'seems' that way 'that he doesn't care'. But to be fair he DOES. Otherwise he wouldn't be spending so much money and so much of his time to 'resurrect' the Commodore brand with new products and new ideas.

I think you're going to be disappointed....
the only thing Barry cares about is money, that much has been made clear several times. I know you'd like there to be new Amigas - as do we all here - but C=USA isn't the answer.

I've seen your posts on their forum and it's obvious that you really want it to be true that Barry is going to bring the Amiga back to its glory, but it's really not. A Linux is distro does not and never will have anything to do with the Amiga, no matter what sticker you slap on the box.

There are so many great REAL things happening now, with REAL Amiga systems (be they AROS, MOS or AOS 4), why waste your time with the pretenders who are just cashing in on the name?

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Believe it or not, Linux is perfect for a new Amiga. I say this because in my mind. Amiga was always a brand about performance (from the tech available of the time) and top performance at that - and Linux I'm now finding, will provide that for a 21st century Amiga. This is what made Amiga special in the past...superb hardware coupled with super software. If the new Amiga can't do that (and match or even exceed the speed/spec of current systems) then it isn't worthy of the Amiga name...it isn't worthy of being revived as a brand. I don't know about any one elses view, but that's my opinion...

Saying "Linux is perfect for a new Amiga" is like saying "Bananas are perfect for a new Orange". Great, but what if you don't like bananas, and your oranges are just fine anyway thankyouverymuch?

Linux IS NOT Amiga. Never has been, never will be, and you can stick as many stickers as you like saying "Commodore" and "Amiga" on a Linux PC, it'll still be a Linux PC.

Amiga is not just a brand... what it is varies from person to person, for some it's the classic hardware, for some it's the OS, but it is not just a name. If you like using Linux, and it's filled a niche that used to be filled by an Amiga, that's great, but don't kid yourself you're still using an Amiga, you're not, you're a Linux user.

Sorry if I sound irate here, but for C=USA to barge in and call their Linux distro an Amiga is cocking a snook at all the hard work that's been done by the real Amiga users, in whatever flavour (AROS,MOS,AOS 4) that may be.

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I guess we win some and we lose some. I don't claim to be from CUSA (I am an outside customer of theirs who came here totally on my own accord) but you asked me a question earlier about why the 'CUSA camp' feels the way they do and I tried my best to express how I see it. But if that's how you feel, fair enough....I accept the fact (and your apology) that it's two different approaches. I look at it as like cooking. One chef is from the States and one chef is from France. Two totally different styles.... :big laugh:

Exactly, to each their own. And as long as nobody tries to tell us Amiga users that their Linux PC is an Amiga, we'll get along just fine.

Well whatever happens, I'm probably most interested in what is happening with the FPGA Replay. I think there is a lot of potential with it as a classic Amiga fan (and I'm dead serious lol). Coupling that with a CUSA-made case just might be the tonic we all need. :lol:

Now that I agree with (apart from the CUSA case ). FPGA is a very interesting field, just look at the Indivision ECS for starters!

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I think we all want the Amiga to be successful....

.. but finding a successful platform and sticking an Amiga sticker doesn't make the Amiga successful. It just makes it look like you can't accept the fact that the Amiga isn't successful.