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Re: Copyright continued...
« on: September 14, 2010, 06:44:47 PM »
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Just because you don't agree, doesn't make it a straw man.
 
The shrink wrapped license says that you can't resell it, you know that the shrink wrapped license on every piece of software says it.
 
If you didn't already know, then I'm telling you now. Every piece of commercial software, says you cannot re-sell it.
 
Now you have no excuse.
 
The major reason why shrink wrapped licenses were not considered valid is because people claimed ignorance. Even going so far as to get a dog to open the package.
 
If you don't want to buy the software that says you can't re-sell it then don't buy it.
 
If you want to take the plates away with you, go to somewhere they give you paper plates.



They can put anything they want into licenses, even stuff they know they can't legally enforce. Even stuff that has legally struck down.

This entire dinner and diner analogy is backwards and irrelavent to this discussion.

A more appropriate one would be a publisher getting paid for every single person who read a particular book, or for every time said book was sold. Sorry you can't look at my book because we would have to pay the publisher an extra amount.

That obviously is nonsense. But publishers, both book and software want to get every penny they conceivably can from their product.

publishers have every right to compensation for their product and that happens at the original sale. they provide a product and support for the product and are fairly compensated.
put it another way. I'm the third owner of my ranger pickup. ford got money only on the original sale. It is the same pickup, they are still the OEM, the same effort both in design and production went into making my truck; but they don't get any more money.

Why because "We the people" said that is fair and that has been the practice for about a century. Software publishers want this all to be different becuase they can track who owns thier software and can charge for more.
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Re: Copyright continued...
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2010, 08:35:47 PM »
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In regards to business purchase - licenses (especially volume buys) are always negotiated upfront and the companies have to comply with what they agree to.


People should comply with what they agree to, however if you study most EULAs you will find proviso's usually to the tune of "unless federal or state law conflicts"

in other words the software company can claim anything they want to and you can agree to it and try to stick to that license but if a federal or state law conflicts you don't necissarily have to. They can claim your firstborn and no second hand sales but laws might make those sections of the agreement void.

microsoft for years had "do not copy" warnings on their discs until they got nailed in court enough for it now the discs say "do not make illegal copies"

there is a big difference. just because you "opened the shrink wrap" or accepted the license DOES NOT mean you have no rights other than what is spelled out in the EULA. Many companies dont what you to know the rights that you do have.

thats were these court cases come in. spelling out the rights you have despite what the EULA states "unless state or federal laws conflict."
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Re: Copyright continued...
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2010, 03:44:21 AM »
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Make the software download only, and sell it at a 1/10th of the previous cost, and I won't care what license restrictions it comes with.


Even if it leaves tracking software on your computer, sends information back to the publisher (which could easily be intercepted) or deletes itself from your computer because of some copyright issue the publisher has. (like a recent kindle book did) http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090717/1559425587.shtml

There is all kinds of bad stuff that has happened and will continue to happen because software companies are getting so despotic with their copyrights. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_CD_copy_protection_scandal

These publishers and companies are not interested in their customers interests anymore. They are not interested in producing a quality product, only getting something out quickly and patching it later. Many will sell a game or software they know is poor quality.

What if the licensing states that if you plug a flash drive into your computer you will be considered in breach and the software will uninstall itself and send a report to the company? Restrictive? Yes but you could have been trying to copy it right? Would that be ok?

What if the software tracks your online activities to ensure that you arent visiting hacking sites that would allow you to break their drm? is that ok as long as it is in their EULA?
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Re: Copyright continued...
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2010, 03:46:09 PM »
we're all quite mad
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