An executioner explains

[KThunder]

that we discuss these things makes us civilized
that we care about cruel and unusual punishments makes us civilized.

personally i think locking a person away in a cell and telling them they will never see freedom again is cruel, but not unusual.

any method of dispatching a criminal that is not too messy and is not used for the entertainment of onlookers is ok. in many countries (us included) executions were public specticles. that i dont beleive was civilized and it drove many to realize that and change it. in france there was emootional effects on many especially children from seeing beheadings. (i printed a book on it once)

[KThunder]

you are pushing to see if there is some type of double standard arent you. do you dislike americans?

i think most of us are on the same page here. beheadings are quick, clean, and painless (there were lots of debates for years and the best scientists could say was that there was likely no pain)

parading the head or headless body around afterwards would not be civilized. but i think the term civilized has been thrown around a bit without definition. why dont you define it for us cannonfodder

[KThunder]

CannonFodder wrote:

To me, "Civilized" is sitting down with a nice cup tea, a plate of Hobnobs and watching a good Attenborough documentary on the Beeb.

Anyone who says otherwise is just a common pleb.[/quote]

ok so when you ask if beheading would be civilized if done in america we all have to say no because it has nothing to do with tea and telly?

i like tea, but i dont know quite what hobnobs are and i dont like most documentaries. so am i partly civilized?

hobnobs hmmmm dont sound particularly appetizing, anything like spotted dick?

[KThunder]

civilized or not nothing hits the spot on a hot summer day like a big glass of iced tea. you should try it. with or without lemon. then try downing a piping hot cup of tea and see if it has the same effect.


you seem to have successfully thrown us ot cannonfodder. but since you asked, yes i am an american. i do like hot tea as well but of the oriental persuasion not the british. earl grey is ok but id take a good coffee over it any day.

btw i believe the original traditions would be from asia and since brits have tea differently than most asians i would say you fouled the traditions first.

[KThunder]

i was responding to gadgetmaster not you cannonfodder

so far you havent said were you are from and i dont really think that it matters. you reacted similarly to the mention of iced tea and since tea is what this thread is about now...

[KThunder]

yes i know who nimrod was, but the thread was all about tea and rather than introduce another 133.5 degree turn in the discussion by introducing a Bible topic i thought id let it drop.

here in the states if you call someone a nimrod you arent calling them a mighty hunter or a Biblical person you are usually calling them an idiot. thats why when we see some british group called nimrods in one way or onother fixing a plane with a teapot it is kindof funny.

[KThunder]

interesting thread, so far it has been about executions, tea, strange plane repairs, nimrod, and definitions.

anything else we need to discuss?

harrier jump-jet  thats a cool plane.
any amiga flight sims have it in them?
i had a sim for the c64 that had an american f4 in it that was pretty cool too.
i had a c64 back in college, as retro thing.
i moved to new york to go to college.
got married in new york.
my wife makes good iced tea :-)

ok i circled back on my own now i should really stop typing.