Licensing vs certification (part deux)

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Rassilon wrote:
@Bill

As I understand it anyone can contact Amiga Inc for a license/Certification.

Hey, T_Bone, wanna do the honours? OK, I'll do it then.

Lookee here.

Every last detail of this goddamn mess is just sick.


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Since olegil forgot to include the link himself in his reply, here is the direct link to ANN.
I apologise to the pay-per-minute modem users who I made waste precious seconds on Moobunny. By linking to the Moobunny thread on this topic I figured I wouldn't need to cut'n'paste my comment from there to here. In retrospect, a cut'n'paste would've been more efficient than this harangue... Oh well.

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Wilse wrote:
So.................has anyone actually applied to Amiga Inc. for a license?

If so, what was the outcome?

See above.

Because, until someone does and then publicly explains what stopped them from getting it, the whole argument is moot.

Nope. Even if someone other than Eyetech actually would be granted a license, it still would mean that AmigaOS users would not be allowed to buy their Pegasos, or whatever hardware we'd be talking about, from whomever they like. They would not be able to buy a 2nd hand Pegasos, unless the previous owner had bought a licensed bundle. Pegasos users who bought their hardware without AmigaOS would not be allowed to buy AmigaOS at a later date (like, when it's hypothetically ported to the Peg). People who would have bought licensed hardware could not uninstall and keep their current AmigaOS, sell their old hardware normally, and use their already payed for AmigaOS with newly available and AmigaOS compatible hardware... And so on.

I bought a Pegasos and an AmigaOne. I'd like to see OS4 on the pegasos *and* MOS on the AmigaOne.

Even if someone got a license to sell Pegasos+AmigaOS bundles, you wouldn't be allowed to buy AmigaOS for your Pegasos. It's not AmigaOS licensed/bundled/dongled, and it's not bought from an artificially created "Amiga" market.

Don't you understand that you need to be protected, Wilse? It's for your own good. You have bought potentially sub-standard hardware from a rogue and price-gouging dealer. Get thee to the licensed dealer and buy a new Pegasos. The licensed Pegasos has passed AInc's thorough testing and certification, so obviously it's much better than any normally sold exactly identical Pegasos. It's max a couple of hundred dollars more expensive than a normal Pegasos, so you'd be protected from price-gouging as well.

Is my point clear yet?

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Wilse wrote:

Even if someone got a license to sell Pegasos+AmigaOS bundles, you wouldn't be allowed to buy AmigaOS for your Pegasos. It's not AmigaOS licensed/bundled/dongled, and it's not bought from an artificially created "Amiga" market.

This is not certain. If stand alone versions can be released for Blizzard, theoretically this could also happen for Peg.

Hey, quit stealing my arguments!

Yes, of course AmigaOS must also be sold "shrinkwrapped" to be installed on already owned hardware, and on hardware bought wherever and in whatever way the user damn well pleases. It's none of the software vendor's business.

If AInc's compulsory licensing/bundling/dongling scheme isn't changed/dropped, as currently a thousand people including me are publicly asking them to, this will not happen. Not even theoretically. AmigaOS will not be for sale separate from hardware.

Of course AmigaOS will be available illegally sooner or later, circumventing the hardware monopoly checking mechanism, but what good does that do AInc, Hyperion, AmigaOS, and us who want to buy the OS? The alternative would be to make money on sales of the product. *shock horror*

And even if there was no license, that doesn't mean it would automatically be ported.

Of course not. Just as the existence of a license applicant doesn't make software write itself.

Otherwise, why ain't MOS ported to the A1 yet?

I suspect it has something to do with that, in contrast to AmigaOS/AInc/Hyperion, it's the same company that develops, makes and sells both MorphOS and (software) and the Pegasos (hardware).
OTOH, since Genesi is in control over their own hardware development, and if they manage to keep up with the hardware competitors, I'd think that MorphOS for other hardware would be a good thing. A larger userbase and potential future Pegasos customers.

Ask Genesi.