yea I did that but its not formatting it like I want.. lets say for example I have a list of magazines by year, month, publisher etc.. well the months are not the same length. so I want to allocate the same amount of space for each month that way it aligns.. I know i can do str_len and figure it out and pad it but I was wondering if there was a simpler way with HTML to format output.. if no I'll do it the longer way in PHP.