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Re: A common attitude with Windows users here
« on: November 04, 2003, 05:31:26 AM »
Without bothering to read the entire thread (I'm sure I can predict how this one will turn out ;-) ) I'd just like to say that overall, I kinda like XP. I've heard so many horror stories about it here on the forums, but I just don't get it. I've installed XP on various machines, including a 200Mhz K6 with under 100megs of ram and had no problems (aside from the fact that it was a bit slugish).

Having said that, there's still some thing about it that drive me nuts. The drive lettering for example! Isn't it about time we got rid of that ancient system and switch to volume labels to reference drives? Or a REAL command line shell, similar to csh or AmigaShell? DOS just doesn't cut it!

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Re: A common attitude with Windows users here
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2003, 04:37:50 AM »
Hey Mikey,

I know this isn't the right place for this, but since we're all here I might as well ask it now... Do you know of any way to have WinXP run some kind of script or batch file at bootup? Is there a startup file of some kind? If I want to have certain commands run at startup (like "delete c:\temp\*.*" at every logon), could I just create a batch file and stuff it into the registry under HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run\ ??? Just curious.

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Re: A common attitude with Windows users here
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2003, 08:17:30 AM »
Well said BOOTdisk, and I think I knew XP doesn't have a autoexec.bat, and I have edited the boot.ini in the past when I setup a dual boot for ME & XP.

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Re: A common attitude with Windows users here
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2003, 04:06:48 PM »
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The OS can't be very well optimized when it uses that kind of memory footprint.
Fact is, the memory footprint is not an indicator of optimization. System caches for example can use up tons of ram quite easily. And like others have mentioned, Windows provides far more services then does AmigaOS right out of the box. If you are hell bent on running an OS on 64MB then you can simply disable every service on XP, and you'll get a system similar to AmigaOS in functionality.

The fact is, it's AmigaOS that needs to mature. AmigaOS needs to add more services and to exploit the new resources available on today's hardware platforms. It's perfectly acceptable to use up three times the memory if that memory can help you speed up certain tasks. As a programmer I know that one can optimize for either execution speed or memory usage, but rarely both. with today's cheap memory it's quite acceptable for a system to be memory hungry if that's what it needs to perform a little faster.

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Re: A common attitude with Windows users here
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2003, 03:08:20 AM »
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And system caches is a solution to an unoptimized system in the first place. With an optimized system you wouldn't need that kind of caches.
Yes and no. Often caches compensate for a sub-systems latency. The CPU's instruction/data cache for example. Sure we could build computers with memory as fast as registers (other architectural issues aside), but that would cost tens of thousands of dollars per PC. So for reasons of cost we decide to make cheaper memory so that we can have more of it, and to get around it's slow access time we use some cache, which isn't as fast as a register but way better then main memory. Same goes with hard drive access. There's lots of sub systems that benefit from a cache simply because optimizing for both speed and memory (if at all possible) often means you take a huge hit in cost.

And btw, you can replace the standard WindowsXP services, but rarely does one really need to. And yes, AOS does need more built in services, that is after all what an OS is for. I mean, it really wasn't that long ago before even the GUI was an optional "service", we've just taken it for granted. Someone who's first computer was an Amiga would expect an OS to provide them with multitasking, a file system, a GUI with windows, buttons, menus and icons, audio support, etc. However things have changed and today's users demand more things, like memory protection, virtual memory, built-in TCP support with DHCP, firewall and other advanced features, built-in OpenGL (or other similar system), built-in media player with plug-in support for more codecs, etc. Expectations have gone up and it's up to the current Amiga care takers to meet those expectations.

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Re: A common attitude with Windows users here
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2003, 05:02:55 AM »
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Win3.11 worked just fine without being on a network. It was the first version of MS Windows I used, and for what it was worth it worked okay. Not great, just okay.
Yes, and back then AmigaOS was also a viable option, and in all fairness, Amiga royally stomped Windows3.11's ass!  :-D

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