MorphOS 3.0 released - PowerBook G4 support and new pricing

[dreamcast270mhz]

Actually, I can sympathize with Kolla here: If you have a lightweight distro and a lightweight x11 manager it is no slower than MOS, of course Ambient is kickass to many of the basic x11 managers available.

[dreamcast270mhz]

@Piru

I trust you guys in your judgement when something is ready. EvilGuy is too used to everything being handed to him. I really, really think all you developers get unloaded on for no good reason.

@EvilGuy
If you want to bitch and moan about how unfair it is, do it elsewhere. We do not take kindly to immature people here, believe me I know. I have my own gripes about MorphOS but I just choose to keep it as a hobby OS.
 People are crazy if they can really expect MorphOS to be a daily use system even yet. It still lacks a myriad of things, so I choose OS X for everyday use, especially since OS X is only $30 to buy, compared to that bloated piece of crap called windows that I just end up torrenting every so often when I want it.

And wireless is convenient, but it definitely pays to have an old fashioned wired connection, especially when you have a big enough house that pockets of it are out of range of the router

[dreamcast270mhz]

Another looney says

[MorphOS, OS4 and Classic Amiga systems are the only ones who are real 'Amigas', not that joke AROS or Amiga Forever.]

It is so nice of you to let us know what real Amiga's are, since I was with the REAL Amiga two weeks after it hit the market, I would dare to say that MorphOS is just another Amiga emulator that works on just a MAC. I do not consider MorphOS or OS4 to be real Amiga's. They are very poor emulators of the Amiga system. The Amiga Forever emulator is closer to the real Amiga then anything else out there, it is mostly automatic so any beginning computer user can load up an Amiga program wheter it be NTSC/Pal, AGA or PAL. It even emulates a 4 disk system when you have a program that has more than 1 floppy disk, by this I mean it will run an old 4 disk program by automatically sensing that this program has 4 disks and automatically sets up for a four disk drive system. Amiga Forever even senses CD32 cd when placed in your CD drive. It is the utmost in Amiga Emulation, nothing else compares to it's simplicity, not even the real Amiga itself.

To say that MorphOS is a classic Amiga, is like saying a VW is like a Ferrari, there is just no way that MorphOS can compete with Amiga Forever, it is just too simple of a computer emulator that needs a lot more work to even compare with version one of the original WinUAE.

Sorry but the truth should be known.

smerf

I have a few issues with this post of yours:

• You childishly call me a looney, when many here may say the same about you. He who lives in a house made of glass should NOT throw stones.
• You misinterpret my statements. By grouping OS4, MorphOS and Classic Amigas together, I am NOT calling them Amigas in the sense of C=. I am merely stating that, by this development chart here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/AmigaOS_3_and_clones.svg/500px-AmigaOS_3_and_clones.svg.png You can clearly see the relationships of MorphOS and OS4 to OS 3.1. I am discounting AROS because it has many, many underpinnings of Linux, plus the majority of the community arent very courteous. Amiga Forever is discounted because of a few reasons. First off, it is merely a wrapper for the original 68k OS, with not a single line of contributed code to the OS 3.1-3.9 codebase. MorphOS has transcended the classic Amiga, while retaining WarpOS compatibility and adapting to more recent hardware. All Amiga forever acts is as a "Franken Amiga" reanimating the original OS on modern PCs. It therefore is a glorified DOSBOX for the Amiga platform. Also, ever since MorphOS, when i do use it, allows for moutning of floppies and images i can move beyond the contrains of floppies, which I have always hated. When I make some programs for MOS and Amiga, I plan on releasing them via digital distribution.
  
• Finally, this: "To say that MorphOS is a classic Amiga, is like saying a VW is like a Ferrari, there is just no way that MorphOS can compete with Amiga Forever, it is just too simple of a computer emulator ." First of all, I never claimed that it was a classic Amiga. See above list. Secondly, Cloanto has been an arse to the Amiga community by not providing a free, if basic, legal solution to the distribution of Kickstart and WB. By profiting on us, they are biting us in the arse. And anyways, by your line of reasoning I could say that the M4 rifle is nothing more than an AR-10 emulator. Kind of paradoxical since the original AR-10 only shares some design architecture (direct impingement gas operation) with the M4

Finally, I just plain don't like the fact that you sit there and bring nothing but chaos to conversations. So, I have a suggestion for you: Go sodo**** some other fora, such as 4chan.

[dreamcast270mhz]

You do realize OS4 has more linux/unix like features than AROS correct?  Wait I know you still think it's 2001 and AROS has to run on linux right?

Hmm? I am well aware AROS does not need Linux, and frankly there is nothing wrong with Linux. However, when I used it about 2 years ago, I found the interface sugar-coated, and it generally did not stimulate much interest to me. But my point is that AROS has much less influence from the Amiga side compared to MorphOS. MorphOS and MUI/Ambient are both quite mature GUIs, very much like Aqua on the mac, simple, visually appealing and customizable. I just got a bad taste from AROS and the community as a whole. When I asked them for help on some issues I had transitioning from Amithlon's 3.9 shell, they sat and trolled me for a whole page of a thread. Idiotic to the max. I really have no need for a community project that reminds me of 4chan's userbase.

[dreamcast270mhz]

Anyone know how many people actually work on MorphOS development?
- I see several complains about it, not only here (lack of Wireless & 3D for PBooks) but also at MorphZone (keymaps, network speed,...)
- I understand the herculean effort of the team in order to put something live,

I think this is a no-future situation. Even if it's a hobby for developers, I think it's time to re-think the "business model" of MorphOS development. Maybe open-source it and invite all the community to write drivers and etc (similar to Linux)...
I don't know the answer, but what I know is that we're close to a situation where
* MOS developers would "quit" and invest their free time on something more fun & profitable
* No more than 10 guys will complain about it

No, linux's model is not bad but currently Ubuntu is rife with issues, such as the crappy unity GUI and competing standards.  And the MorphOS SDK is available, for any developers who wish to make drivers. I think it is more of a lack of full time developers and a unified community that create the current rifts. My model would be partially close off Morphzone to host only actual users who bought the OS, leaving a news and prospective user forum for non-users. From there we can get a more unified opinion of the community of users ( I myself will be buying a new license as soon as I have time to use MorphOS on a regular basis) and reduce the squabbling we have currently there. From that we could form a sort of "vote" where users have some say in what is worked on, when, at the developer's discretion. Once MorphOS has a bigger library of users we can begin to have full time developers who will develop for it.

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@Kesa
Understandable, but I, and others, I am sure, are tired of hearing whines by naive members who want x feature, or want it on x machine. What I am suggesting is creating an actual user space, where people who actually use it can have their slice of pie. It is a filter, of sorts, to the 4chan overflow we get. To this end, it basically follows the rules many etats-unidans place on politics: if you do not vote, you cannot criticize. Applying it to MorphOS, you get: "If you aren't using it, you cannot complain.

The problem lies in people who cannot be appeased, much like the Knights of Ni they simply want more shrubberies than one can provide.