Will there every be another computer like the amiga?

[dreamcast270mhz]

I missed out on the Amiga days, as I was growing up on the ignorant PC platform. The A-EON will be great (if it can sell) and it isn't a 74XX (G4) Chip as thats not in the POWERISA 2.04. What is are: Titan, PWRficient, 970(G5)

I think the PWRficient will be the one to be in the A-EON as it is rarely seen in the wild (Since PA Semi was snapped up).

As for the OP's question, no, the Amiga cannot exist as it did in the 80's, because of Micro$haft and Steve Jobs turning into a Pr!ck for going intel (The PA-6T outperformed the Core Duo) but I forgive him, but I won't buy a Macbook until he revives the names: PowerMac, Powerbook, iBook. Because Mac Pro, MAcbook (Pro) suck compared to it.

I also love my G4 mac because I delight in OSX 5 working so well while SpamDows CEMENT (Win CE, ME, NT) run unusably in VPC and Q. And at least Apple's minimum specs for each OS X make sure the machine can run OS X decently.

As for Dammy, the PPC platform has just as much potential as the day the 601 was unveiled, but the higher cost and x86 BS being spread ruined its chances, the new i7 still can't do what a 603 can (Run in Big Endian, produce good Power-to-watt ratios)

If the PS3 was turned into a home computer with a custom Linux running windows under an emu layer, people wouldn't know its PPC and stuff. Also, tell me when an x86 can run an x64 application, because PPCs can run 64bits if needed (at a slight drop in performance.)

[dreamcast270mhz]

Maybe on speed, but FP and clock for clock made up for it, I have to say if PPC got the same support as x86, it would've been great. It still has potential to surpass x86, as long as development continues.

[dreamcast270mhz]

The g5 is a good CPU, but it should've been skipped and Apple concentrate on clocking the G4s higher, plus if they used a 32-bit address space rather than 31-bits, then a max of 4 GB could've been achieved and the G4 would've been nice. The G5 remember is a POWER4 that was stripped down (Big mistake). If Apple had put its faith in PA Semi and money, we could've had a PA-6T Powermac and Powerbook instead of a CD Macbook and Xeon Mac Pro. Look, even the Powermac and Powerbook names trump the Macbook and mac pro names. SJ needs to bring 'em back

[dreamcast270mhz]

G4 is far from slow for me, I use it for photo manipulation and general use. I rarely need that much CPU power and it runs lightyears faster than any PC I ever had. The Athlon series is a very good chip, but I still am more for PPC, as I have yet to see a big-endian X86/x64 cpu?

[dreamcast270mhz]

Yeah, it sucks they lock the GPU. Maybe a hack will arise to correct this.

As for my G4 iBook, my powermac runs circles around it, but my xbox 1, at several times weaker than a Cell, could render more graphics in Linux because the GPU can be used.


@Paolone

No, sorry it isn't anything like it. I've used AROS and since my first try i have stayed FAR away, its so unpolished. Also, any X86 HW available is nothing close to an Amiga, nowadays, taht belongs to the SAM and G4 macs, since MOS has better compatibility than OS4 or AROS.

[dreamcast270mhz]

@Hammer

That was my blunder, okay. I misunderstood the sentence: "Note that a 64-bit PowerPC application which does not need 64-bit math will run slightly slower than if it were compiled in 32-bit mode. This is because 64-bit pointers and longs consume twice as much memory as their 32-bit counterparts, so the CPU cache will be able to hold less data and memory accesses will be more frequent"

From wikipedia.org

My fault there, but are any of the x64 CPUs fully compatible with their 32-bit counterparts? No, try running any of the 486 apps on an i7 with 7 64-bit. Get back to me if you get it to run?

I can see this is becoming a debate about whether x86 or PPC is the way to go.

@Proponents of x86

It will never happen, I've already made up my mind and I will not go back to intel for a while, probably never. If x86 leads the Amiga, you can expect me and several others to leave, because it will no longer be an Amiga.

The closest relative of the Amigas are the PPC macs, the SAM 440 and the upcoming A-EON.

Good Day!

[dreamcast270mhz]

Okay, try running Blood on an i7 with 7 64-bit? Natively now, no vdmsound or dosbox with everything working? Good luck.

[dreamcast270mhz]

Not my point at all, just pointing out that some older applications look at a new CPU, and freak out or don't run at all. maybe I was a little harsh with that last post, but If I use my friends iMac G5, I can run an OS 8 app in classic without having to about it freaking out or crashing, you are right in saying the x86 CPU is a very good and successful architecture, I just don't and won't use it because I hate using monopoly HW that is so low quality compared with my PPC machines.

Anyways, lets just drop it, isn't worth me or anyone else getting worked up over. I agree to disagree with the rest of you intel/AMD fans.

And as I said, in terms of architecture and OS, MorphOS and the PPC macs and Pegs are the closest relatives to the Amiga. Of course there will be innovations that fit their bill, but if PPC ever dies, it will mean the end of the Amiga's life in terms of HW. And as long as the X1000 is a good HW piece, I will buy it, run OS4 and MOS if it gets ported, as well as linux with Mac-On-Linux if I can

[dreamcast270mhz]

A10 attack! is a good classic flight sim... And Tone, I don't care about that, if I DID care, I'd have gotten an intel mac, but no, I didn't, I got 2 G4 laptops and a G4 MDD. I really don't care for all that MW2 crap and I have a 360 and Wii for all that.

[dreamcast270mhz]

No, you're wrong, all post-nubus ppc macs are not like Pcs at all. A PC has SSE software, but a g4 has an actual altivec FPU, A PC runs little endian, PPC runs big-endian AND little endian. A mac has OF, Pcs have BIOS. The differences go on.
Truth be told, a mac nowadays is a custom PC with EFI on a cheap FOXCONN Mobo.

And to date, the most populous Big-Endian archittecture is PPC, the 68k is VERY similar to a PPC. And as far as OCS/ECS/AGA goes, their relatives are the GPU, SPU and North/South Bridge chips in Macs and PCs, i wasn't focusibng on them.

@Paolone

AROS has promise, if you can get WARPOS/PUP support working I'd DL it for PPC, you won't rely on UAE to do it, will you? I like the three Amigoids Oses out there, tehy all have promise.

I have to say that PPC macs have more lifetime than any PC to a consumer. when SJ switched them to Intel, that went teh way of horse and buggy. I am neighbors with a couple who use a PowerMac G3 w/ one of those 450mhz ZIF G4s, it runs Tiger like new, a Core Duo Macbook at stock spec struggles with SL. My iBook g4 runs circles around my brother's Phenom 3Gb laptop, at 768mb and 1.33 Ghz at that, because it runs Micro$haft 7.

I use my G4 for:

DVD encoding
E-mail and web browsing, youtube, facebook
Gaming, the newest game I use is DOOM 3
iTunes music and 720p video (my  P4 HT couldn't do 480p without slowdown)
ALL else I do on internet


My point is, I don't mind waiting two hours for 720p dvd5 video to be encoded, because I can browse, play Ut2004 and do whatever while I wait, if I encoded on my HT, it locked up the RAM so much i couldn't play even Half Life. I don't need 1080p video, 3GB/s transfers or UT3, because I don't care to be in the rat race to keep up. I'm happy with what i have, thank you

[dreamcast270mhz]

Lol that just goes to show that M$ has made another "Simple Jack" OS

[dreamcast270mhz]

@tone007
We all know you like windoze, agree to disagree with me and others in that case. I don't like Windows because:

I had to intermittently backup everything and reinstall the OS to make it usable again.
I had to deal with either no anti-virus (I caught conficker because of this) or enjoy AVgs nagging to update and restart
I got tired of not being able to encode video in any of the open source encoders and still play my online games
I was frustrated with WGA, "Sorry Billy, yes I pirated this version, now be a good boy and SMB and get the Fuck off my machine!"
I hated the games for windows having OS locks (can run on xp, but won't without a crack, ie. Halo 2) and no, Apple and devs make sure that even some new apps run  in Panther.

The list goes on, but i didn't migrate to mac to have someone nagging me that windows is better like the mormons and jehovahs witnesses that come to my door daily. Maybe I should use a similar stategy: Paint a sign in my doctor's handwriting : I used "Satan rulez" for them but maybe "I kill silly Billies" or "Beware of Titan" will keep fanbois away.

Good luck convincing any average mac user like that :p

[dreamcast270mhz]

Paolone,

I am a very knowledgable person on computers, and you're picking a fight in the wrong place. Hell Labs is right, I was referring to windows rot which happens because all the websites and mis managements of the OS write little files to pad the ram and leave rest for the user applications. i've seen it. In order to run windoze safely and properly, you need to: optimize the swap, get firefox (or chrome), turn off "Luna", msconfig remove all unimportant startup apps, defrag, and restart a total of four times.

Compared to OS X Tiger: Install firefox, get your apps, remove Mail and Safari, install all updates your done. At least MacOS X by default lets you chose if you want to install all the software update, windows' automatic updates do it behind your back. :p

[dreamcast270mhz]

PPC vs X86 has been basically outlined here, I think I will stick w/ PPC thank you very much, no more talk of that. As for calling me 12 years old with the Microshaft name calling, my Chief IT Officer uncle of CAT4 uses it and he shares my feelings with windows and he uses those terms all the time.

Don't try to speak english if you know you can't comprehend a native speaker's terms, Hell Labs is right in saying that some of my reasons have nothing to do with disc copying, remember my post is much more broad than that.

 And don't tell me I could've used windows better or managed it better, its an inferior design stolen from IBM OS/2 and implemented just as poorly, tell me when Bill Gates stops adding useless APIs and system locks and a fancy GUI update that makes it look new. If MS actually cared about its customers, they'd release XP for free and prior 9x releases instead of forcing you to upgrade. The Powermac G3, for example was made in 1999 and was supported until 2007 Leopard, the average 2005 PC can't run 7 without extensive stripping down of it (MS unsupported)

[dreamcast270mhz]

Some of those terms were directed at someone else, the leander so please don't take much of those personally at you. The asking about me being twelve stuff was you the rest was directed at Paolone, the last few were just general arguements.

I have decided to state my stance one last time, then stop hijacking this thread.

I like all OSes but Windows, I support ReactOS in its goals to improve it and help topple it.

I don't care for x86 based on lineage, but the fact that many of the CPUs and mobos for it are garbage and to get anything lasting you need to fork over a price like Apples premiums and that won't last 10 years, plus a PPC mac is dirt cheap and fast and cleanly designed.

I am hereby stopping the debate I helped to kindle, if anyone wishes to continue it, lets make a new thread.


We can all conclude that nothing will be quite like the Amiga, but the x1000 is an expensive and risky venture for A-EON and Hyperion. MOS is working on the PPC macs, and AROS is going x86 and PPC at once (and will probably need to speed up development to keep up)