I think.........

[slayer]

The Amiga has never died and never will what has "died" or changed however is the people involved in the scene...

When commodore or whatever else happened that stalled any progress in the Amiga HW and most software occured, I simply just used what I had, I didn't move to any other platform and I still don't own any other computer.

Alot of people formed these different so called "retro" groups and so alot have choosen to stay there, for them the Amiga scene is now about recycling... I've always seen it as an excuse for people to justify or control there spending... "A modern Amiga? Bugger off, for one I'm not spending THAT much on what is merely a glorified PC, hell it doesn't even have a blitter!"

Remind you of anyone?

The Amiga was always going to evolve and the chips change GET IT! Sheesh!

Now it doesn't matter how many of you feel this way, your time with the Amiga is over... it is not going to change the Amiga for us and we don't need people like you... I only wish you'd stop spreading your perceptions because they are incorrect...

I think most people that didn't evolve are the game players... I haven't played games on my Amiga for about 15 years... perhaps there's something in that...

Enjoy your PCs or Macs, you deserve each other, eg if you can use another machine you are a 'computer user' but you're not an Amigan...

disclaimer: I'm not trying to be snarkie elite or anything but I do feel quite strongly about the Amiga... whether or not I'm over the top is speculation but I tell you if everyone that used an Amiga in the past felt like me, the Amiga would be a force to be reckoned with... in anycase if I have my way and business is good over the next few years I'll be joining Trevor too to add fuel to the fire...

You know what Harry said about "you know who"

We've got something worth fighting for ;-)

[slayer]

Until the resurrection of something akin to revolutionary A1000 in 1985 ie combination of OS AND Hardware 5x better than best PC or Mac alternative money can buy at 33% of their cost.......then Amiga is dead. At least A1200 had some advantage (eg 14mhz A1200 = 133mhz Pentium to run Super Stardust AGA). SAM/X1000/NATAI/MINIMIG......nothing revolutionary or even partially superior like A1000 or A1200 respictively.

Happy memories but RIP Amiga IMHO.

Why are you people so obsessed with the specs or comparison of what the Amiga was to the world stage of that time?

It's like the All Blacks were the best rugby team in the world until the rest of the world caught up...

You simply aren't going to get this type of seperation again, well I wouldn't think so but who knows what's around the corner?, the Amiga was just the first back then, something had to be first...

I don't get it and you are arguing from the wrong vantage point... The Amiga will always be the Amiga whether it is technically the front runner or not...

To wish for the same advantage over anything else in the market today as far as performance and price goes and only THEN call it a valid Amiga is something quite laughable

Feel free to use your old Amiga systems and your modern day counterpart but please don't talk about this nonsense again

[slayer]

The trouble with this thread and the people arguing in it is they are comparing the wrong things.

It does not matter how advanced the Amiga was when it came out.
The price was/is insignificant.
It does not matter what chip set it had.

All these things just make something more desirable or less desirable based on ones individual perception and also, it's a time expiring value in most cases.

What I'm basically saying is if you fell in love just because the Amiga was x, y and z it wasn't bound to last and is misplaced loyalty

What does matter is keeping the Amiga ideal (what Aros and MOS have successfully tapped into) and AmigaOS alive and for me personally Custom Hardware is very important as well... If they ever made AmigaOS portable and didn't continue the custom hardware line that is probably when I'd end my Amiga crusade...

For me the X1000 for example is very cool and try as you may you just won't feel the same way with any other computer system... sure, you've got your power users but they don't care about what they're running as much as how fast its running... anyway, I think you understand...

In short alot of these retro Amiga users never actually loved the Amiga itself but what it represented and did at the time... it is no wonder they do not want to migrate to modern pastures

[slayer]

I still think many peoples stances these days are based on "hindsight"

I for one did not buy the Amiga because it was the best thing on the market at the time... it was just a coincidence

I've brought into the NG line of Amigas because I never stopped being an Amiga User and I want to continue using an evolving AmigaOS (I'm actually going to code for AmigaOS). The original Amiga was a vision and it was realised... the X1000 is a vision and it is realised too...

Leave the Amiga in peace; for a lot of you, it isn't the Amiga who is dead it's your involvement with her that is... adios and good luck just please please say good bye!

You'll thank me for it, eventually :-)

And I don't want to hear questions in the future about hows the X1000 cpu upgrade or hows that X2000 going... by then (say 2 years) you should be well, well on your way to recovering without talking about the Amiga anymore :-)