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Re: Advice on best A1200 accelerator
« on: September 24, 2011, 05:17:26 PM »
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Thanks fitzsteve i find it interesting and useful to hear you guys opinions, so is that card worse than a budget accelerator? By the time the extra ram is added it will be approx £80-100 - poor value?
 
Also if i buy a low end accelerator do i need to change my a1200 power pack to an a500 power brick? :angry: I would be devestated to see my a1200 melt :roflmao:


I have a typhoon 030/40 with 64mb FPU, subway USB, 4GB CF, PCMCIA WIFI. anyway the system would not even boot when I added a svideo adapter. the stock one is pretty weak.
 

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Re: Advice on best A1200 accelerator
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2011, 05:20:37 PM »
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Have sourced a ACA030@25 64mb fast ram for £85 off amibay, what do you guys think? :)


that one is OK if you are absolutely sure you don't want to do anything that needs a MMU or FPU.
 

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Re: Advice on best A1200 accelerator
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2011, 07:45:37 AM »
Yeah. The the MMU does helps external video drivers for shapeshifter. Really makes quite a bit of difference, I don't think I have used it for much else. But yeah, shapeshifter is best B/W as far as speed. It just limps along on my 030-40mhz in 256 color mode even with the MuEVD driver.

The other advantage is that utils can remap the ROM to fast ram and write-protect it which speeds up your system. The ACA may have something similar though.

I doubt it would be worth it to upgrade the CPU to one with a MMU, however if you could upgrade to the 56mhz at the same time, that would be worth it :) You would gain the ability to decode MP3s in real time :)

As far as the FPU, I do know that not having one is MUCH better than having a defective FPU. I had a board with defective FPU and many things that you would not think even would use a FPU would try and access the FPU and GURU. Even Directory Opus :) Pulling the chip fixed that :) Eventually I sent that accel back for exchange. But it seems like a lot of programs will use the FPU if it is present.

Quote from: desiv;661070
That was one of my concerns when I got mine.
I wasn't absolutely sure, but I pulled the trigger anyway...
Hasn't bothered me so far..

There are some things that use an FPU.  Ray Tracing programs and there's a version of iBrowse, etc...
But I haven't done any ray tracing, and the non-FPU iBrowse works OK for me.

As for the MMU, most of the uses are in the development area.
One use that I think would be nice, but I don't have is Mac emulation.
It's my understanding that ShapeShifter can have improved graphics speed with an MMU?  But the only Mac's I'm interested in are 9" b/w, so I'm OK with that too...

Now, I believe that you can replace the 030 in the ACAs with an MMU (non-EC) enabled comparable speed 030 and get an MMU.  I think Vesalia was even providing that as a service (selling them with the CPU swapped already) for a bit???  

But there is no FPU option...

All-in-all, I'm much happier with my ACA1230/28 without FPU and MMU than I was with my 1200z with FPU.  ;-)

I don't regret my purchase at all...

desiv
 

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Re: Advice on best A1200 accelerator
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2011, 04:31:37 PM »
Quote from: utri007;661180
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if it so that WHDLOad actually uses MMU quite lot? At least with very old games?


http://www.whdload.de/docs/en/mmu.html
 

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Re: Advice on best A1200 accelerator
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2011, 11:53:28 PM »
Quote from: portarinos;662372
I'm the one that sold him the card. I've been trying to help snoozy install the card and enjoy every bit of it (as i did with it, which means that the card was and still is working) via PM over Amibay. I suspect that the problem lies in the motherboard revision. it is highly possible that he'll need the PCMCIA reset fix in case he has a moterboard that refuses to collaborate with the card.

So, please inform us about the motherboard revision and we'll see what happens.

 I also strongly believe that for the card to be recognized easily he should at least soft kick rom 3.1 or even better buy a pair and install it. I remember that with an A1200 that had rom 3.0, I had to play around a little bit in order for the card to be recognized.

We'll stay in touch m8.

I believe the card should still be recognized regardless of motherboard revision, just the motherboard needs mods if it has stability issues.

The PCMCIA reset is to fix (entirely different) issues with PCMCIA cards not resetting properly on boot. Can't remember if it is cold or warm boot, but it does not matter because its not relevant the the ACA not being recognized.

I would recommend bending the metal RF shielding all the way back and to make sure that you did not damage any traces on the accelerator.

Read carefully what Jens says concerning the timing mod : "Only remove them if you really have stability problems.  By removing them if you don't have any problems, you're likely to introduce timing issues. In other words: If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

stability problems - you'd to have the ACA recognized in order to know if you have stability problems :0

At any rate, here is the A1200 timing info:

ACA specific info:

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=726765&postcount=1359

here is something on general A1200 fixes for 040/060:

http://www.ianstedman.co.uk/Amiga/amiga_hacks/A1200_Mobo_fix/a1200_mobo_fix.html

Good luck :)
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Re: Advice on best A1200 accelerator
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2011, 01:27:27 PM »
Quote from: fishy_fiz;662411
Sorry, I cant really offer any suggestions here as Ive never owned an ACA card. It does sound like more of an ordeal than it should be. Ive never owned an accelerator that didnt just work when plugged in. Not to speak ill of efforts for new classic amiga hardware, but yours isnt the 1st problem Ive heard of for the ACA '030 cards. Having said that though Ive heard plenty of good reports too.


The timing problem is not specific to ACA acclerators, but also effects 040 and 060 accelerator. I think it may be more common with Apollos.

Anyway, the timing mod affects STABILITY. From everything I have read the timing mod is not necessary for card to be recognized...

I would suggest the following:

Remove the top of the 1200 and loosen all screws that hold the motherboard to the bottom of the case (including the ones by the floppy).

This is completely optional but now would be a good opportunity to CHECK (not remove) surface mount components E123C and E125C to see if they are populated. You will have to remove the bottom RF shielding which requires removing all the little screws by the ports. Hopefully you have a suitable tool for that. I used a small socket. FYI: My NOS 1B.4 (From Amigakit) came with the correct configuration requiring no mod.

Bend the portion of the RF shielding over the trapdoor expansion up.

Clean A1200 contacts and inspect for damaged traces on the ACA. Look for any surface mount components that may be missing.

Insert the ACA and make sure it sits flush and not at an angle. My Typhoon sits at a slight angle still but adjusting the motherboard did make it much better.

Power the machine on and check with showconfig if the CPU says 030.

if so, Re-tighten the screws to the motheroard.

Power the machine on and check with showconfig if the CPU still says 030.

Finally, assemble the working A1200.



Good Luck.
 

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Re: Advice on best A1200 accelerator
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2011, 03:06:33 PM »
Quote from: Snoozy;662832
Oh no what have I done!
Can u give me ur s:start up sequence!


the s:startup-sequence is specific to your configuration.

My statrup sequence contains a bunch of stuff for my pcmcia network board, fast ATA, Poseidon USB, MMU, etc... stuff you probably don't even have.

Maybe you should just post yours so we can have a look...