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Astral wrote:

In regards to having the Amiga *GROW* as a whole, company, user base, practical uses and so on, maybe it is best that the software base is improved before getting the word out there? Maybe it is best to improve the hardware before getting the word out there?

What steps do you think should be taken, including advertising, and at what point?


I think marketing is the only way to hit any numbers easily.

Personally I think that when MorphOS (Or AmigaOS) is released on Macs Minis, that's a big chance to attack the huge potential user base - for the very first time.

Of course 98,9% would screw it at a first contact but please recount the numbers.  Mac people are far better group to a new OS proposition than any other.  Linux people hate AmigaOS because it ain't come for free, face it.  Besides it's too easy to administer it so ain't worth bothering since they might not be called such EXPERTS then (this is pretty much a joke...).  Windows people like to have decent install shields and MS Office 120% compliance.

EDIT* AROS is free and x86 already which only mean x86 Amiga-like OS didn't succeed much off the Amigan shore.  Consider Minis again.

I don't mean paid ads or something - that's pretty much silly.  I mean forums mostly, that's all.

One more about Linux hostility since this is a part of the thread already - I'm always happy to be able to share my opinion...  Robust? Perhaps.  Does great work where employed? Perhaps.  But it is definitely NOT a desktop system by all means of definition of a desktop system.  Linux ruined or ate my data many times and I blamed myself, right.  I am now a programmer, kind of, I have to use Kubuntu.  So I don't question that, do not like it == change your job!  But when the time hits five call it, I want to rest, not play helpdesk or a workstation administrator!  While lying on a couch, had my ax buried for a while, I want to chill out and fulfill my silly home routines with peace of mind.  I feel kindda anxious when I have to watch what I touch because if I do much enough, Linux will kill my data and all my family.  I don't wanna feel like playing minesweeper on some bank main DB server.  So I use Mac or Xp for sake of mental security.  And remember that Desktop is not a system for several thousands of prophessionals, it's for anybody in question not being a retard.  So those all moaning like "my grandma uses kubuntu", "my dog uses kubuntu", "kubuntu with openoffice is a best business solution ever", "why does ms office still exist" make me nearly throw up.  Hence my statement.
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Re: Awareness by classic Amiga users about modern Amiga's?
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2009, 07:58:01 PM »
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Linux people hate AmigaOS because it ain't come for free, face it. Besides it's too easy to administer it so ain't worth bothering since they might not be called such EXPERTS then (this is pretty much a joke...)


Rubbish. I use linux at work and at home and there is no OS I like better than AmigaOS. My point is that linux is used professionally in places where any existing version of AmigaOS would never be considered because it is robust.


Look if you want to deny my statement, do it point blank or at least stick to the merit, though this requires guts I know.  That kind of comments, they're just nasty, you're sure you can't do more?  It doesn't prove you're intelligent, it only proves you have a problem with anti-/non- Linux people.  That's a typical example of posting that is in spite of discussing the issue, cutting out some ambiguous and pretty off-topic phrases to make fun of the author.  You're here to talk about Amiga or to pull legs of people not liking to have Linux on their hardware, cellphone, wife, you know what I mean?  Ask yourself this question please.

Now to reply, try to do this with Linux - try to read through some legal statement in acrobat reader, then paste it to the oo document.  Also, get to a company sales, receive a request from your customer and respond with a oo-made doc rich offer.  Would you?  Many "programmers" think all business is about c programming and vi.  I do not understand.

Also when you show off so keen in Linux - do you expect an ambiguous user (1 000 000 000 people we're talking roughly) to configure ANYTHING after system out of box install in order to use it without fear?  You only show how much full of themselves Linux people are, considering themselves "the propher" Desktop users, while others still remain ***sholes, morons, MS conspiracy part-ofs, lamers, non-having-anything-todo-with-THE-ITs etc.  This is sad and embarassing.

Where's a room for Amiga in such a mentality??

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One more about Linux hostility since this is a part of the thread already - I'm always happy to be able to share my opinion... Robust? Perhaps. Does great work where employed? Perhaps. But it is definitely NOT a desktop system by all means of definition of a desktop system. Linux ruined or ate my data many times and I blamed myself, right.


If you are using a KDE4 based window manager you should blame yourself for any loss of data caused by X going down. You have the choice to use a robust window manager such as fvwm, but you opted for KDE. Even gnome is more stable. If you are using KDE4/plasma with all the desktop effects and other gubbins then you are probably using proprietry drivers which taint the kernel also, introducing instabilities.

Since all of these are your choice, then you can't blame the kernel for failing as a result of choosing to use an immature and buggy desktop.

Now, I'm not a kernel puritan, my machine at home is using proprietry nvidia drivers but I understand that by doing so, I may have compromised the stability of my kernel. That said, it has never crashed or locked up, even under very heavy load.


It's KDE but I like it as it is (though I can re-log into Gnome UI). Thanks much for advice but I'm not gonna use it.  I like stuff as is, ain't touching any admin matters unless mandatory or critical.  Now I use Linux for my work only and since it's programming mostly, instead of taking care for my data I subversion it.  Backup is a better way than proper sophisticated maintenance.  Economically.

The conclusion. I for the Lord's sake never ever mentioned AmigaOS IS better than Linux.  I only mentioned Linux people aren't a good group to be talked about Amiga at all.  If you exchange some delusional and fun-to-be AmigaOS and Linux comparisons, either in work or home, it only means you among many people, see and read things you're supposed to encounter.  Don't want to be rude here but this kind of mental twist requires attention.  I mean as long as one wants to be more happy.

One more - if you want to discuss, let us go PM.  You feel insulted perhaps.  Well you should now I'm pretty sensitive and I have my rights.  You put my words upside down and make laugh at it, I don't like that so I responded, as simple as that.
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Not used: Icaros Desktop 1.2 (reason: no wifi)
Planned soon: an OS4 system
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Re: Awareness by classic Amiga users about modern Amiga's?
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2009, 09:29:22 PM »
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Open source improves code stability because there are more people involved who are able to track down and fix bugs.

I don't agree. Open source do not improve anything, nor does it mean they are more people working on it.
They are good developers in open and closed source projects. There are good guidlines in both closed and opened source projects. And the other way around.


I'll just say one sentence here that many, many people can barely comprehend, I have not the faintest idea why.

The best and only bug-tracking system is THE CUSTOMER that might cancel multi-milion dollar agreement, or just leave the "successful clients" list, also moaning about it all over.

Sometimes I wonder what's the name of my delusional world I live in.  Must... be... delusional... has to...

I mean if Your customer merely is able to pay the invoice, call your company as it is - a grocery, not IT or business especially.

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Some open source project doesn't mean there are magically lots of people working on it... Often, the original authors are themeselves working on it because no one else knows it and can correctly work on it anyway.


Really???? Impossible! You lie!
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Not used: Icaros Desktop 1.2 (reason: no wifi)
Planned soon: an OS4 system
Shortly then: a MOS notebook (wifi is a must-have)
 

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Re: Awareness by classic Amiga users about modern Amiga's?
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2009, 09:33:25 AM »
@ Karlos

Well I highly exaggerated on the first point.  That was a part of the sentence yielding Mac userbase is pretty good for AmigaOS introduction.  Being disputing this ambiguous and pretty casual sentence, it ended up with quarrel.  I also said if someone uses Linux and loses data, in 99% it's his/her fault.  To conclude - Linux is good for expert users, programmers mostly, been unlike Win users or even Mac users.  It's not much reachable Desktop system so I do not consider it a Desktop system.  Same argument like Win Server 2003 might serve as desktop but it's against its purpose.  Sorry for my language but I'm anxious on twisting my statements, especially those pretty casual and off the merit.  The only reason I quoted Linux is because many people did it here already.

I generally agree with all you said (now clearly enough and  conscienciously) and try to stay more cool hereafter.

@ Astral

Just to go beyond Mac forums posting.  I am an advocate to sacrifice several licenses in some big fish forums - e.g. for the most comprehensive review (MOS or AOS for Mini, I keep talking about Minis).

@ persia

This is not anymore since this expensive Sam dongle is no longer needed for Minis.  Also the system's price might drop which is really a key turning point here as they say.

There's more.  System's distribution throughout Apple downloads only (if this is legally possible to put it out there, unfortunately I don't think so).  No?  Well Hyperion or MOS devs should make some free Amiga demo / presentation with some usable features for macs (on top of E-UAE I suppose).  And then go for Apple/downloads with it.  More.  Some alliance with some popular Apple software vendor is needed to sell a packet.  Also some printed magazines maybe, i.e. limited-time demo CD (a demo OS is a must, again).

And so on.  Forums is just a cliche, not so difficult to expand, also economically.
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Not used: Icaros Desktop 1.2 (reason: no wifi)
Planned soon: an OS4 system
Shortly then: a MOS notebook (wifi is a must-have)
 

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Re: Awareness by classic Amiga users about modern Amiga's?
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2009, 05:20:04 PM »
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Well Hyperion or MOS devs should make some free Amiga demo / presentation with some usable features for macs (on top of E-UAE I suppose). ... Also some printed magazines maybe, i.e. limited-time demo CD (a demo OS is a must, again).

MorphOS is a bootable livecd since forever, and it will be the same on Mac Mini (why would you need UAE?) You can install it and test freely, for limited time per session. To continue testing you just need to reboot.

If you feel that MorphOS is worth your money then you can buy license online. The license keyfile will unlock the MorphOS for unlimited use on that particular hardware.


I know.  And what I was referring to in my broader expression was:

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System's distribution throughout Apple downloads only (if this is legally possible to put it out there, unfortunately I don't think so). No? Well Hyperion or MOS devs should make some free Amiga demo / presentation with some usable features for macs (on top of E-UAE I suppose). And then go for Apple/downloads with it. More. Some alliance with some popular Apple software vendor is needed to sell a packet. Also some printed magazines maybe, i.e. limited-time demo CD (a demo OS is a must, again).


So when I said E-UAE distribution, sort of, I meant to unlock the Apple/downloads channel.  When I said demo CD, I wasn't considering MorphOS only.
Was: Mac Mini PPC running MorphOS 2.4
Now: Amiga Forever 2010 with AmiKit and AmigaSYS
Not used: Icaros Desktop 1.2 (reason: no wifi)
Planned soon: an OS4 system
Shortly then: a MOS notebook (wifi is a must-have)