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Re: Anubis, Icaros, and XAmiga...
« on: March 28, 2009, 10:30:23 PM »
@ DrZarkov

First of all I have to make clear that I'm pretty much a newbie here, still.
Just got back to my old devices yet in December.

But to me now:

Icaros/AROS.  This is much Amiga-like since it's heavily possessing the original API strength. But since I cannot run it on my notebook (the only PC at home), I consider it requiring SPECIFIC (like iMica) hardware, thus being pretty relevant to OS4 or MorphOS on that matter.  I won't get myself a new PC. Yuk! One is enough.

So like I find that AROS lacks some manpower because since it started, it may not be called a x86 system. Seriously, face it even if you don't like it. Windows fully supports x86, same Linux which is its best feature to me.  Well AROS don't.  So you got a proper PC - great - you might try some AmigaOS 3.1+ implementation. I don't and thus consider it a narrow-hardware project. Similarily to AOS4 or MorphOS so NO PRETTY MUCH VALUE-ADDED regarding x86. x86 is x86 to me and always will be. So AROS, despite of my intentions, it's pretty useless just like for a guy here, having Thinkpad, a laptop too.

Anubis and Xamiga (just learned 'bout that one now). Those are Linuxes. To which extent? I think since neither is 3.x+ API compliant, they all seem Linuxes to me, nothing more.

UAE strict support? So what? Is Amiga about UAE? Noone would say yes. Amiga-style/think? So what? Linux has many wrappers to resemble Windows even.

I think next steps to make Linux more Amiga will be:
-Amigax- linux having Amiga-like UI widgets
-Aminux- linux having Amiga desktop screen built-in and icons
-Alinux - linux  having Amiga desktop screen built-in, though heavily customizable ie. 68k-like, 3.1-like, OS4-like and so.

Bollocks!!

So what I plan is MorphOS or AOS4 for my Macmini, the sooner-one the better-one.

Hope I learned my lessons well...
Was: Mac Mini PPC running MorphOS 2.4
Now: Amiga Forever 2010 with AmiKit and AmigaSYS
Not used: Icaros Desktop 1.2 (reason: no wifi)
Planned soon: an OS4 system
Shortly then: a MOS notebook (wifi is a must-have)
 

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Re: Anubis, Icaros, and XAmiga...
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2009, 10:46:03 PM »
@ bhoggett

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cicero790 wrote:

Anubis:
An Amiga os nextgen for x86 that will have memory protection, benefit from linux vast driver collection. Only the kernel is based on linux the userland will be amiga. Its no linux distro. It have vast potential in the future.


Linux is only a kernel. Anubis is a Linux distro, just possibly one that won't be compatible with any of the other ones.

It's arguable whether anything built on a Linux kernel is a "Linux distro". Amithlon was built on a Linux kernel, but you'd really be stretching a definition to call it a Linux distro.



Please grow up. Linux by definition is the kernel itself. Modern definition is: a UI/Xwindow layer onto the Linux kernel.

Man...

@ persia

Ari-what???

WTF??

See i can see the Amiga OS is melting down...

Check out Itchy & Scratchy Evil Dead episode to see what I mean.

To me (again as a newbie) the only TWO things that count now are AmigaOS4 and MorphOS, plus UAE as a bonus on ambiguous system (for the time being since both got one built in).  Eventually AROS/iMica but as long as neither of the above is released on Macmini say, this year.  Which is False (I mean, either will).
Was: Mac Mini PPC running MorphOS 2.4
Now: Amiga Forever 2010 with AmiKit and AmigaSYS
Not used: Icaros Desktop 1.2 (reason: no wifi)
Planned soon: an OS4 system
Shortly then: a MOS notebook (wifi is a must-have)
 

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Re: Anubis, Icaros, and XAmiga...
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2009, 08:37:00 PM »
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You can use AROS hosted in pretty much any x86 machine...


Frankly you're right. Most sensible PCs are AROS-supported.

But since many people have notebook PCs nowadays, their incompatibility in graphics/sound/other components make systems as AROS require a "special" computer (non notebook).  On the other hand one can install Windows and Linux as well, on practically any computer available.

Hence the conclusion - AROS is for PCs as long as you are desktop.  So statistically, not necessarily fully supported x86.
Was: Mac Mini PPC running MorphOS 2.4
Now: Amiga Forever 2010 with AmiKit and AmigaSYS
Not used: Icaros Desktop 1.2 (reason: no wifi)
Planned soon: an OS4 system
Shortly then: a MOS notebook (wifi is a must-have)
 

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Re: Anubis, Icaros, and XAmiga...
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2009, 06:07:56 PM »
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Hence the conclusion - AROS is for PCs as long as you are desktop. So statistically, not necessarily fully supported x86.


If you look closely, Pixie said, "Hosted" and he is right on the money.  As long as the host OS has something equal to vmware, it can run AROS hosted without issue.  Your thinking of natively running on notebooks which may indeed have issues because of the unusual hardware that maybe be found in a notebook.


That's right. But hosted OS is not OS, just a virtual guest.  Doesn't feel the same.

Notebooks being unusual hardware... Technically True, but statistically... False.  It is market that makes the definitions what is usual or not. Always.

BTW AROS Live doesn't boot on my notebook so it ain't hosted that way.
Was: Mac Mini PPC running MorphOS 2.4
Now: Amiga Forever 2010 with AmiKit and AmigaSYS
Not used: Icaros Desktop 1.2 (reason: no wifi)
Planned soon: an OS4 system
Shortly then: a MOS notebook (wifi is a must-have)
 

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Re: Anubis, Icaros, and XAmiga...
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2009, 09:46:07 PM »
@bloodline

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Linux is only a kernel. Anubis is a Linux distro, just possibly one that won't be compatible with any of the other ones.


Yeah, if you're using the Linux kernel for your OS, it's a Linux distro whether you want to call it that or not. It may have some freaky userland stuff in place of the GNU and other popular programs, but it's still Linux even if it isn't GNU/Linux.


If that were true then MacOSX is no different from Darwin... Linux is just a kernel...


Well I don't like to actually call it that way but it's almost right.  MacOS is proprietary which makes it partially more to Unix-like system than "some sort of linux"... But it doesn't differ much, does it?  

As for the kernel itself, MacOSX has a mixed kernel, Darwin/BSD plus some other, not sure about the name, mach or something. So it's not entirely based on some Linux/Unix kernel, has some value added.

To summarize, one might consider MacOSX as some sort of Linux, actually rather Unix-like system.  But it's much more than that.
Was: Mac Mini PPC running MorphOS 2.4
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Not used: Icaros Desktop 1.2 (reason: no wifi)
Planned soon: an OS4 system
Shortly then: a MOS notebook (wifi is a must-have)
 

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Re: Anubis, Icaros, and XAmiga...
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2009, 01:04:19 PM »
@paolone

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Once installed on the hard drive, you can edit AROS:boot/grub/grub.cfg to turn all the '32bit' to 'nodma' that you need.


I do not want to install AROS yet, I have no partition left for it now.

I want to use Live CD for the time being.  Is this a Live CD, dead one or what??

@pixie

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Perhaps it's time to check both hosted AROS solutions... ;)


I did and will be doing that shortly, just wanna make sure I won't boot from the CD on my notebook.

I still think there is a hope. Slightly.
Was: Mac Mini PPC running MorphOS 2.4
Now: Amiga Forever 2010 with AmiKit and AmigaSYS
Not used: Icaros Desktop 1.2 (reason: no wifi)
Planned soon: an OS4 system
Shortly then: a MOS notebook (wifi is a must-have)
 

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Re: Anubis, Icaros, and XAmiga...
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2009, 02:02:18 PM »
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I want to use Live CD for the time being. Is this a Live CD, dead one or what??


Icaros is for now distributed on Live DVD only, so you need a DVD player/burner to get it.


Goddamnit! CD DVD whatever, DVD is a kind of CD.  Yes I meant DVD. No CD here.

I have a DVD player.
I have a DVD burner.
I have some blank DVDs as well.
Was: Mac Mini PPC running MorphOS 2.4
Now: Amiga Forever 2010 with AmiKit and AmigaSYS
Not used: Icaros Desktop 1.2 (reason: no wifi)
Planned soon: an OS4 system
Shortly then: a MOS notebook (wifi is a must-have)