FS: Cyberstorm PPC -DEFECTIVE-

[Vanilla]

Hmmm.. I wish I had the dough for this .

Why is that? A G3 AmigaOne even is a lot faster and includes a full computer. So why all all these CyberStorms still so sought after?

Is it because they plug into a real Amiga? That's the only benefit I can see. To me it looks like people are after an Amiga PPC machine that has AGA and can run old PPC games and iFusion on the Workbench. Apart from that it's not worth doing much else.

Sure you could run OS4 but it's limited, has bugs and doesn't replace OS3.9. And if you want to run MOS you can get a Mac now.

I want to kmow why newer machines like the A1 that run at almost ten times the clock speed as a full compuiter are worth nothing compared to an older card running almost ten times slower that needs to be plugged into an actual computer with expensive support cards. Huh. :huh:

Even in the Amiga world this doesn't make sense! If the AmigaOne plugged into am A1200 like it was supposed to would it be worth a fortune now? Ten times as much as a CyberStorm goes for!? :-o

[Vanilla]

@Vanilla are you new, or just trolling around?

Neither. As stated in my post, I want to know why this hardware is seen as more valuable. Why it fetches a greater price? I can understand it being sought after but not at that price and the Amiga market has not stood still since.

[Vanilla]

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AmigaOne is not a real Amiga, it has nothing to do with the original Amiga design, neither does it work the same way.

So what? A CyberStorm has nothing to do with the original Amiga design either. All it provides is a fast co-processor to co-exist with the 68K. And being that it doesn't multitask in the hardware this futher removes it from being an Amiga like design. And if it runs an exclusive OS on the PPC how does that relate to the 68K Amiga?

Of course real Amigans want Amigas and not new "Amigas". If you still use a slow PPC system as your main desktop today then I feel sorry for you.

I have an A1-XE and it's fine for rmost of my needs. And BTW real Amigans (as I consider myself) also wanted the hardware to continue. This didn't happen. The Amiga and AmigaOne are worlds apart because the hardware was left for too long. Sure I wanted something better that was more like a real Amiga but the AmigaOne is what we got and I had to accept that.

Most of the guys upgrading Amigas do it as a hobby, and they know that the real Amiga systems are the ones that gives the good old feeling of the great custom chip design and so on.[

But when you stick in cards like this that's a moot point. If you have a 233Mhz PPC with a graphics card and a sound card you've not only replaced the Amiga main CPU to an extent but the custom chips are replaced by non-Amiga parts and most likely PC hardware parts.

The Mediator is another example of this. An expensive Amiga expansion card that is made to stick in dirt cheap PC cards!

An expanded Amiga isn't exactly an Amiga anymore. It just becomes a dongle to foreign hardware.

[Vanilla]

Ah, I misread his post, but how does a g3 and a g4 compare at the same CPU speed?

Pretty much the same. The only main difference is AltiVec. Without vector optimisations they'd work at close to the the same speed if not the same.

[Vanilla]

@tone007

Now you can run the old classic Amiga software and newer software that takes advantage of additional hardware.

Not always. I've found even an 030 or 040 breaks certain software and games.

n expanded Amiga is an expanded Amiga, capable of classic Amiga usage and beyond.

Unless you can disable it your stuck in beyond land.

[Vanilla]

@Damion

Trying to say that using those slots makes it a PC is pretty retarded!!

I wasn't saying that. Bui if you stick a Mediator and associated cards then that is a clear intent to replace onboard hardware with PC parts! Against a 24-bit truecolour chunky display and 16-bit sound AGA looses out.

[Vanilla]

@Damion

Trying to say that using those slots makes it a PC is pretty retarded!!

I wasn't saying that. Bui if you stick a Mediator and associated cards then that is a clear intent to replace onboard hardware with PC parts! Against a 24-bit truecolour chunky display and 16-bit sound AGA looses out.

[Vanilla]

Just because it wasn't officially done by CBM doesn't mean it's not somehow "Amiga", IMHO.

So where does the AmigaOne fit into that? ;-)

[Vanilla]

Because they can do things an AmigaOne can't, run OS3.x programs with PPC support.

It can be done, an A1 can run WarpUP programs, but it is limited. A G3/G4 is more compatible with a G2 than the SoC on a Sam which can give you nightmares if you expect Warp PPC programs or games to work. :-)

[Vanilla]

Because they can do things an AmigaOne can't, run OS3.x programs with PPC support.

It can be done, an A1 can run WarpUP programs, but it is limited. A G3/G4 is more compatible with a G2 than the SoC on a Sam which can give you nightmares if you expect Warp PPC programs or games to work. :-)

[Vanilla]

AmigaOne runs AmigaOS, and AmigaOS is designed to run on it natively. Therefore - to me at least - it's an Amiga. Custom chips do not an Amiga make - they used to, but times changed.

I know it's not exactly the same. The firmware isn't Amiga like at all. I would have made it act more like an Amiga with an early firmware Gadtools like boot screen. With a red pointer. Kind of like what EFI does. I think it does.

But, I am rather purist in this regard as to me the AmigaOne isn't an Amiga, it's an AmigaOne! :razz:

Which is what I said.... though maybe there were a few too many negatives to make that sentence easily parsable.

Hehe. What I find the most amusing here and what seems to be missed in the arguments was that this is a DEFECTIVE board. So everyone has been arguing how a defective board is better than a working machine. Haha!

A friend had a CyberStormPPC that ended up being defective. He really wanted to make good use of it and promptly purchased OS4 classic. When he tried to boot OS4 it went through boot colours and then stopped. Just wouldn't work. Some OS3 PPC software was tested also also and it was determined the board was due for repair. It was sent off and hasn't come back. Years after buying OS4 his A4000T and him have never seen it.

However, an opportunity came up to buy an AmigaOne with a working install of OS4. He took up the offer. Though he didn't like the PC like UBoot that comes on screen and I agree here he had  to get past that. And also get past the onboard IDE not being as good as SCSI. And now has a working machine with OS4. Or he did until all the screenmodes went missing for which I am currently to blame! Hehe. :laugh1: