How will Hyperion continue the momentum?

[quarkx]

It just amazes me on how ANYBODY can get excited about a product/company that is know to bend over their consumers and charge 40000% mark up.

The "WOW" I am going to be first in line to get *ss ****ed by them just because it is Amiga"
is beyond me.

Sorry all, but the blind sheep mentality around here is nice for only so long. Some time soon you will have to wake up and say "Ouch" that hurts.

[quarkx]

Oh, Come on.  A lot of people love their Apple products..



Oh, sorry, thought you were talking about Apple..



Er..  Now I'm confused again..

:lol:

desiv

Oh, don't get me even close to started on Apple. I refuse to buy into that at any price. My business parter wanted to GIVE me an I-phone for Christmas so we can start developing Apps and such. He was even willing to give me that and go half on an I-book, for development. I refused and would rather stick with my 4 year old Palm Treo then look at a modern Apple product. I leave the Apple stuff to him ONLY. Even if Mr.Jobs himself, called me up and personally sent a private jet, and flew me down to Apple HQ, to present an I Device in person, I would just laugh and hang up on him(probably call him an idiot to his face).

[quarkx]

You do know that anti-fanboys are just as bad as or worse than normal fanboys?

Hey! I like that "Anti-Fan Boy". Maybe start a website called the Apple Anti-fanboy regime (local 101) ! I now added it to my signature!

Also, whats up with the PALM comments? Apple stole the whole Idea of apps from palm, but I was never a Palm fan, I thought the Handspring units were 10X better then Palm, and Palm could never seem to Upgrade their hardware, they just brought the same base unit out for years with a new case around it (same specs) and say it was a totally new Palm. Talk about trying to pull the wool over the consumer's eys. The Pro, the 3, the M130 etc were all the same units- but I am off topic and I will drop it for I am not about to start flame wars.

[quarkx]

@quarkx

"Even if Mr.Jobs himself, called me up and personally sent a private jet, and flew me down to Apple HQ, to present an I Device in person, I would just laugh and hang up on him(probably call him an idiot to his face)."

don't worry ... it won't ever happens

Tell me if it is not fanatism this as well?

 No, I truly am safe from that, whats funny is someone from Apple hits my blog on a regular basis according to the stats. They are "keeping an eye" on me sort of speaking- LOL.

[quarkx]

The LAST thing we need is another "Linux" powered OS. What is the last count? 4 to 6  million different "flavours" of linux? Because no body can decide on ONE. Lets face it, if you love linux -fine, but many people despise linux and are physically repulsed by people who insist on bashing it into us every single chance they can get. Its worse than some religious zealots who go door to door.

Why do people insist on being lazy and use some form of linux instead of making a whole new OS? This just leads to more Crappy Linux distributions. If you guys want linux to finally take out Windows, PERFECT ONE, ONE Linux, but to have billions of crappy linux distros, and then try to port a nice Amiga band-aid over to it, is not  the answer.
Programmers that use linux have no imagination or skill what so ever, they are just building and trying to get credit for other people' hard work. You want to impress me then make a new OS from the ground up.

Yes, I am an Anti- Apple fanboy, but I can put up with the Apple fanboys. Its the Linux Zealots that make my blood boil. For they can't even decide on one distro, but have to fight over millions, and they don't realize that their fancy distro won't work on anyone elses hardware, but their own. It makes me sick.

[quarkx]

That's like saying the last thing we need is another "amiga" powered OS. There is 1.2, 1.3, 2.0, 2.1, 3.0, 3.1 .. oh so many :-)

And it doesn't have to be Linux. Pick any other OS that someone can license with source,
and put the Amiga UI on top of it. It could be BSD, or Minix, or QNX or Windows CE (), or ...

WHY? why do you half to piggy back on the work of others? Are we (the communitity) so incompitent and incapable of creating something from scratch? or God Forbid, Port the Amiga OS over to X86?

Its this sort of sanctimonious BS that is killing the Amiga. Well, killed the Amiga, because the only new hardware is based on a design that is years old, followed by an OS that is ancient (talk about a band-aid solution, there you have it, AmigaOS4) with support for a
processor family that is pretty much dead on the desktop. Yay.



Choice is bad. Diverse hardware support is bad. A modern OS is bad. That's what happens when you spend too long drinking the Amiga/Hyperion kool-aid. Maybe your sickness is related to the amount of kool-aid you've consumed over the years.

Hey, if you read ANY of my other posts, I am not a Hyperion supporter. They are lumped in with the 90% of developers (either hardware or software) that is just bending the Amiga community over and taking full advantage of them.

But I guess it boils down to what YOU think an Amiga is. To me an Amiga is a computer made by Commodore with a Motorola processor and custom chips, coupled with a great OS. I look at it as the same as a 1969 'Hemi 'Cuda. It was the artful combination of hardware and software. NO emulator or linux shell can recreate that combination, just like no kit car can be a '69 Cuda, no mater how close it looks.

[quarkx]

Do you even have any idea what you are typing any more?

Linux will run on X86, 68K, powerpc, your playstation 2, embedded devices, ARM processors, mobile phones, a few wrist watches and just about anything else that it can be squeezed unto. In fact, I have a hard time finding something that will run on a wider range of hardware.

As for going it alone.. how is that coming along for the amiga again? What exactly do we have to show for the past 15 years of efforts?

Fuck all. THats what

Have you EVER tried compiling some Linux distros? I have tried dozens on all sorts of hardware, only to have them crash or no compile properly (ever tried "tiny linux" on a P1 200 processor with 64 megs of ram - good luck.) Hours spent waisted on crappy distros that crash on re-boot
Sure, we can argue on linux for the NEXT 10 years, as I have heard it all for the LAST 10 years from the linux Zealots (and it is no more "Mainstream" then it was then, Maybe a few percent more), but what does Linux have to do with Amiga- absolutely nothing, other then a "pretend" Amiga GUI.
It seems like EVERY time we talk about ANY OS, the Linux boys want to CRAM it on us (just look through any thread on this very board for the last 10 years). Every year I try at least a dozen times to use linux and the only ones that I can even get to work are Abuntu and I do try to use Amigaforever, but I give up on it in a few hours.

The story (as I understand them) is we HAD an Amiga OS ported to the x86, but somehow the creator got stiffed out of any royalties by the German distributor- Haage & Partner. So no further development was done on it.

[quarkx]

All the time - I use Gentoo which in itself if probably one of the most unfriendly Linux distros available. I've custom built Linux
distributions for various people.

For a newb to try and compile a distro though. Wow, thats pretty impressive.



If you don't know what you're doing then you're going to have problems - the same applies to Mac, Windows, Amiga, ...

Your problems clearly highlight that a) people want to use Linux, b) some people have problems c) there is an opportunity for a company to make Linux easy.

Now think of it this way - AmigaOS is easy to use. Its fast. It does what you generally expect. Sure, there might be some pain learning how AmigaOS works coming from a Windows-only user but it is fairly intuitive. Now imagine that interface running on stable, fast, MODERN hardware.

Forget that its running on Linux, or BSD, or ... on PowerPC or Intel x86, or x64, or SPARC or ...

Apple did it and they've done it well. Amiga in the last few years seems to have copied everything else Apple has done, so why stop now?



After a few hours. /shakeshead.

After Apple stole it from someone else.
I must clarify though, the couple of hours on Amigaforever is TRYING to set up any devices. CD rom drives. hard drives etc. I give up and I go back to my real Amigas. They  at least work right from boot up. I am getting far to old to Putz with trying to get hardware to run properly.