Wither Natami?

[quarkx]

Ok, even though I am new here, I wanted to drop a few comments from a "New" Amiga user on this subject.
Fist, I have been trying "different" emulators of vintage computers for years, and they all lack from a newbies point of view. You have to have all these tutorials open and even then you really can't do anything.With "real" hardware, you hook up and go, no problems, no "mounting" nothing. Example: The first thing I did was buy "Amiga Forever". I can boot it from the CD on my $7000 Voodoo laptop, get into workbench and then DO NOTHING!, the Amiga software on my hard drive is not recognizable. I can't access my CD Drives, absolutely nothing past the workbench screen. Now, I have to go and hunt down websites with tutorials on how to get it to see my drives, etc.- Biggest pain in the butt. I don't have time to mess around with it all.
OTOH, I plug my A500 into the tv. Insert the workbench disk, after that, I can put in any disk and actually do something, Play a game, write a spreadsheet, you name it. No configuring.Boot and go!
That is why "real" hardware will win out any day over emulation.
Second, some people HATE -and I mean DESPISE Linux or any form of it Period! If you want to impress these people, write an NEW OS that has NOTHING do do with Linux. People who write on top of Linux for other "OS" are just plain lazy and can't create something on their own- not my thoughts but general view of the anti-Linux community. (THERE I SAID IT FLAME AWAY ).
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I see the projects like mining and such as a step in the right direction, but until they can just "plug in and go" without having to hunt down every single little thing to make it work, it won't have the respect it deserves. The answers to why won't it read floppies, "oh , thats coming" is not acceptable. Natami looks promising, but if it is not Plug and play than it will never get the respect.It must be a full, working, system when its released.

Anyway's, thats just a newbies point of view. Of course I don't have the knowledge of some of you on the subject, and I apologize in advance for my naivety.

[quarkx]

OMG the rabid Linux Zelots show their teeth. get out the pitch forks and torches, lock up your women, someone disapproves of Linux

SamuraiCrow wrote:
@QuarkX

You've obviously never had to install Windows from scratch.  If you don't have the rescue CD from the manufacturer or are building a machine from the motherboard up, you have to hunt down drivers for everything but the install CD.

I have to do at least 5-6 Windows XP installs a day - everyday on different machines, We "Downgrade" Vista to XP here all the time, but I agree the hunting of the drivers takes time.

the_leander wrote:
Personally, I like my EeePC, with its appliance like stability and the fact it comes with everything I needed out of the box and didn't require me to spend hours farting around to get it going, plug in, turn on, insert modem setup modem via graphical wizard, go online, total time from box to net - 5 minutes. Beat that.

My EEEPC never once booted to Linux, from the first time it was powered on, straight to an XP install.If XP came pre-installed with that model, it would be less the 5 minutes also to be on the net etc. I fail to see any correlation here between what I was talking about, But it's very apparent that the Linux fans will jump on anyone who says otherwise about Linux. But that's not my point. My point, is that Linux is far too often used as a kernal for "Other" OS's. It takes some real imagination, work and thought to create something totally new. The best analogy I can think of is when a sculptor creates a new statue with clay (lets say a figure of a man) then someone else comes along and paints a new shirt on them. That is the way I see it. It may take ages to hand paint a shirt on the stature, but at the end of the day, its not really creative or imaginative.

Yes, I re-read this thread 3 times before posting my "off the cuff" remarks, I just wanted to let you guys know what a newbies sees coming into this. I don't what this to turn out a Linux fighting thread either, so I will not make any more comments on it, for it is a far too tired old debate anyway. If you like Linux, all the power to you, but don't go crapping all over the people that dislike it.

[quarkx]

Fine, Trolling it is?
No one is allowed to state their Point of View if it doesn't mash with yours, then its trolling is it?
If I dare talk out against Linux and try to make a point its trolling is it ?
No one is alowwed to poke a bit of fun when people tke things WAAY too seriously
ok.. have fun with that...

Maybe then the moderators should re-write the definition of trolling that correlates with your point of view. It sounds like your way or the high way. fine.. I am out of here..

the_leander wrote:

quarkx wrote:



When said people are trolling they will get crapped on, regardless of what the issue is, welcome to Amiga.org.

[quarkx]

the_leander wrote:

quarkx wrote:


Fine, Trolling it is?

Yes, it is.

quarkx wrote:
No one is allowed to state their Point of View if it doesn't mash with yours, then its trolling is it?

Just because you are entitled to an opinion doesn't mean is has any factual basis. Get off your high horse.

quarkx wrote:
If I dare talk out against Linux and try to make a point its trolling is it ?

Why would you need to demean an entire OS ecosystem to make a point? And that's the point here - If your point has any validity you shouldn't need to attack something else. It should be able to stand on it's own merits.

 

quarkx wrote:
No one is alowwed to poke a bit of fun when people tke things WAAY too seriously
ok.. have fun with that...

Again, grow up.

quarkx wrote:

Maybe then the moderators should re-write the definition of trolling that correlates with your point of view. It sounds like your way or the high way. fine.. I am out of here..

And again, grow up and get over yourself. If you cannot engage in a reasonable discussion but resort to FUD then cry when called on it, then really, why are you online?

I see you haven't once addressed the points made regarding why your opinion is in error.

You say I am "on my high horse" When all I see is someone with a stick up their arse {bleep}ing about nothing, I would respond to why my views are in error, but all you do is attack and say that I am trolling. I guess as a new guy here I am finding out who's arse I have to kiss. I didn't come here to be attacked, I came to present a Point of view, If you disagree, thats fine, if you think I am a total idiot, thats fine,it i am wrong, I am wrong and that fine. but move on for God's sake, but you are starting to look like a real twit for continuing to keep harping on my comments. You say I am on my high horse, but its you who sounds like it.

I guess its my fault for responding to this in the first place, it seems to add fuel to your fire, but grow up!. I refuse to participate in this flame ware anymore.