Datatypes

[mdwh2]

Xand wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean by optimized for UAE.

It's possible to call Windows DLLs from an Amiga program running on WinUAE - for example, that's how the Warp3D wrapper works. Theoretically (afaik, at least) one could have a datatype that called x86 code to do the decoding, and more generally all sorts of libraries or programs could be optimised with x86 code. Unfortunately not much has been done (even less than what was available for Amithlon - and afaik, the x86 bits aren't compatible).

I'd attempt it myself, but I currently know nothing about how to write a datatype

[mdwh2]

lempkee wrote:
sure it has great apps , but what is great apps when u cant use em without having a 400 hour course in just how to open a file? , lame...

Well, I don't know if you needed a 400 hour course for that, but I and plenty of others cope fine

Anyway, if we're talking about x86 PCs to run WinUAE, AROS or Amithlon, then talking about apps is irrelevant - WinUAE and Amithlon at least have the same apps that 68k Amigas have.

SORRY , but u sorta set a FLAME towards me and my people... so let the show begin.

You were the one who started off with "why not just use a real amiga? ...x86 suxx..." You may have plenty of reasons why you prefer AmigaOS to Windows, but I don't see why that should mean people like me who have their reasons for running WinUAE are wrong, or shouldn't be here.

This is an Amiga forum - and these are Amiga topics we're discussing.

[mdwh2]

lempkee wrote:
mdwh2 :
do u cope fine with that so called elegant software?? amazing..why in the world does 99% of all companies have to have classes for apps all the time then?

Yes, I've never taken a class for Windows software, and I can use them. People go on these courses to quickly learn more about the more advanced features of the software. As much as I would love to believe that the reason you get classes/courses for Windows apps, but not the Amiga, is because the latter is so much easier to use, I suspect it's probably because there isn't enough commercial demand.

but when the discussion starts to blend out in "PLEASE MAKE US SOME REAL X86 datatypes etc" thats when emulation makes no sense and thats why i told him or all to just use a real amiga.

Where did anyone say this? In this thread, I saw someone asking if anyone knew of any UAE-optimised datatypes. Nothing demanding. This is in no way different to any other question about the existance of software, whether for emulated or real. I don't know if people do make demands in the manner you described - if they do, then it's no different to the "PLEASE PORT X TO THE AMIGA" type stuff which often gets posted.

but it wont be a real CLASSIC amiga anyway..

And the benefit to having this nametag is..?

besides i havent seen many good things done by uaE or amithlon people and thats what this is all about, just take a glance in last TOTAL AMIGA issue (15) and u will get it confirmed..

Depends what you mean by "good things". There is some software which is developed entirely on UAE (it's difficult to do a proper comparison - lots of authors don't really say what they use, and even if they do, trawling through the readmes on Aminet is time-consuming;)

What did the TOTAL AMIGA issue show?

if an uae user would have been like an real amiga user then they would know what to do...

How do you mean? That he should have known where to look for himself?

anyway i still think that you guys should focus on your wonderfull pc instead of buggering around here... but that wont happen because u all just need to use AMIGA OS and its wonderfull things as your pc would be bored if not....

Um yes, exactly. The fact that someone uses UAE suggests that they have a liking for AmigaOS, so if you agree, why do you then assume they don't? And why in one breath tell them to buy a real Amiga, and in the other, tell them to go away?

pps: i am pretty sure we will be flowed with 1000 of questions soon...how to get OS 4 working on x86 etc....

If we do, it'd be a sign of the popularity of OS4. But, perhaps OS4 should be cancelled, to save these forums being overrun with such questions.

[mdwh2]

lempkee wrote:
classic amiga = CLASSIC HARDWARE , as in REAL hw.

I know what it is, I was just asking what the inherent benefit is; otherwise, my response to "but it wont be a real CLASSIC amiga anyway" is "I don't care".

anyway if u find it hard to send an email asking what they made it on, then its yer prob...but i like to send meails to people who make stuff and tell em if i like it or not...etc.

Well you're the one making the claim that there isn't much good stuff from UAE people, so you can write the emails to find out At the end of the day, it hardly matters whether more development is done on UAE or real Amigas in terms of evaluating whether or not UAE is a good thing - all that matters is that there is at least some positive output that comes from it (which there is, as you yourself have said). We don't slag off say, A3000 users, because more software is developed on A1200s than A3000s, do we.