What are the advantages of the present/future Amiga?

[cicero790]

Yes darksun9210
I totally agree with you post 2 statement. Since Mac have moved to cheap Intel chips, why not also Amiga. A new Amiga should at least be 64 bit multi core. No lack of power any more, but Amiga should not only be a fast PC like Mac, cutting edge today is different. How about a built in FPGA board? Give Amiga programs the possibility to reprogram part of its hardware??  The hardware experts here probably have ideas on what would be cutting edge today. Hardware for CUDA??
Main point is, a new Amiga should level with Mac and PC and then go beyond them in how it utilizes present day technology that is true Amiga, being the best, yet again.
If we do this, we both have the cake and eat it, meaning; the joy of vintage, emulation and vintage advancement(Natami,c-clone), is still there. Nothing of the interesting projects will die, they will live side by side with a modern battle cruiser Amiga.  :-)

There could be a great advantage for the lack of new models in the recent years, no burden of backward compatibility, just the latest technology, put together in a smarter way.

[cicero790]

I understand what you saying downix.

Amiga should today be a so powerful platform that it was possible to port Masseffect, Crysis or Bioshock with ease and run all modern music and graphic software, That is how you compete with the best. If this could be accomplished in your way without Intel I’m all for it. But as you say Amiga should also be PDA’s.

Nobody is debating if a Mac is a Mac because of the Intel chips. Why should Amiga be any different? Amiga is a powerful brand name not some small orphan OS that never had a platform of its own. I was forced to leave Amiga in the 90’s because the stopped development of hardware. I loved my A1200.
Millions upon millions of people were like me, force to leave a platform we liked for PC or Mac.
If the right decisions are made Amiga can again be a force to be reckoned with.
The Amiga strength should be all over the playing field from super desktop to PDA. Don’t stop your PDA project, All Amiga is needed.
Dreams are necessary to shape reality. I would love to see this PDA project come to life.

[cicero790]

Piru wrote:
Reality check



...failed.

@Piru

Do you know what vision is?
It is something that you force upon reality by strength of will. If the will fail, the intention fails.

Do you know what reality is?
It is something that is true from a certain  point of view at a certain time. it is no categorical imperative.

Tell me about the impossibility to create a highly innovative motherboard with Intel's chips and stamp the Amiga logo on it??

exactly what part of that process is incomprehensible?



 :-)

[cicero790]

@darksun9210

Perhaps there are other ways and your way could be possible but if the platform lacks the power to run the best games and apps there will be starting problems. If on the other hand this is possible then the door is open to the market and the wheels are tuning with new models.

A modern Amiga must have the force to be able to run the best games and apps, and this must be accomplished in cheapest possible way in a do able fashion. And that is possible.

@zylesea

The machine we are talking about here should not have a backward compatible anchor to drag. Mac left there original design. It should be like the original Amiga cutting edge in this age and possible to manufacture in the present now.  

[cicero790]

downix wrote:

cicero790 wrote:

Nobody is debating if a Mac is a Mac because of the Intel chips. Why should Amiga be any different?

This was one of the few things AInc did hit right on the head, make the CPU irrelevent to the equasion by simply emulating it from the get-go.  Their issue was that they began re-inventing the horse, new OS.  If they'd taken Tao's system and simply ported the AmigaOS to it, who knows what could have been accomplished.  Add in a fast emulation for the classic hardware, and then we'd be talking a solid, powerful and flexible platform that would scale down or up as needed with a solid knowledge base.  Heck, could still do this with an optimized 68k emulation system, as shown with Amithlon.  Then wouldn't matter what CPU you ran on, would it?

But AInc's focus on a CPU agnostic system that only runs on one CPU and with little legacy support... just not worth it to me.  

There have been many mistakes, so many that the chance of getting it right have increased exponentially it seems.

I just have a feeling that there will be a hole in one next time, that there will be new Amiga's with enough power to match PC and MAC. How these are done with Intel or in a another fashion I do not care. I just want a new super Amiga and a PDA Amiga.   :-)

[cicero790]

A4000_Mad wrote:
So many threads about what the Amiga should have been and still could be. If only Stark was here to see this. He would be so proud of you guys :bigcry:

Hi A4000_Mad

I do not know Stark, to newly arrived here, but this is the time for speculations like these. The trial is soon over and the machine will start to run in some direction, hopefully the best this time. No more desolate wastelands :-D

Think of having an Amiga that was the envy of PC and MAC owners. Wouldn't that be great. :-D

[cicero790]

Hi alexh

I just believe that if who ever wins sets the bold single overall goal to be better than PC and MAC and build a welcoming design that makes the porting of the best SW titles easy. If this happens everything that is Amiga would benefit. Vintage, emulated, vintage advancements. Special projects and of course AROS.

I think it could be an interesting time to come  :-)

[cicero790]

countzero wrote:
somebody give 2 mins of my life back ... :crazy:

Oh sorry, there will be no more Amiga. Feeling better? :-D

[cicero790]

@jlariv8957

You’ve made several interesting points and suggestions but I don’t fully agree with your last conclusion. Amiga is a brand name. You buy a PC, you buy a Mac, and you buy an Amiga. If it’s powered by an Intel x64 multicore it doesn’t matter. You buy an Amiga that’s capable of running the best and most demanding games and software in the world in an Amiga OS.
 
That’s an Amiga.

That’s what Amiga was 20 years ago, capable of running the best and most demanding games and software in the world.
Amiga today just have to use different parts to accomplish the same thing.

[cicero790]

I agree with you alexh. Having this opinion doesn't offend the great vintage hardware the slightest bit. It is just a way of looking at it from another perspective.

[cicero790]

I agree with you Bloodline and, sorry for the Mac joke you know I respect your vast knowledge and contributions to Amigandom.

G.d I wish Amiga will adapt and have a future.
Soon It will be down to the IP holder to change into an IP active user.