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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« on: January 10, 2003, 02:25:51 AM »
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The Aone/Pegasos are not POP.



Excuse me? Mai themselves have confirmed these boards, along with the Terrasoft board, are all POP boards.

"In the mid-to-late '90s, Apple, IBM, and Motorola worked toward a PowerPC Common Hardware Reference Platform (CHRP). In 2000 IBM released complete board specs and a generic design for this platform, known as 'POP' (PowerPC Open Platform). Mai Logic's Teron series boards and logic are designed from the IBM specifications" (reprinted without permission)
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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2003, 03:46:16 AM »
@Alkemyst wrote:
> URL pls

Like I said in the quote, it was reprinted without permission, however it is quite public knowledge, and Mai should be able to clear up this concern for you with a simple email. Failing that, you could get ahold of their SDK where I quoted from.

> Plus any alteration from IBM POP may make the
> modo non POP compliant + the ref was old.

Irrelevant, Mai has confirmed already that this isn't the case here, so has terrasoft, so have the authors of the linux modules for the Mai chipset support (which BTW work unmodified on all Mai chipset boards). The reference doesn't "age" as it's not a set of "standards" as much as it is an architecture.

> Pegasos has custom parts.

irrelevant, as these parts are not the chipset, and appear on the other side of the PCI-CPU bridge, it doesn't invalidate the 'architecture standard" of the board any more than plugging in a PCI card does. All the add-ons on the AmigaOne and the Pegasos are bus-isolated from the chipset. that's what busses are for. it wouldn't be very handy if adding soundcards and videocards to PCI slots changed the architecture of the board somehow, would it? :)

> Aone has had alterations as well that were not part of the Ref.

Look, the same comment from above applies here. This isn't a constructive arguement, because what you've chosen to put forth as fact is not only innacurate, but completely made up. No offense, but that's the case. All current production Mai chipset boards are POP boards. Don't take my word for it, ask Ross Heinlein, who tasked himself with ensuring that the Linux PPC modules for the POP boards were well tested on all Mai chipset based boards. Make no mistake, these are all POP boards, no matter what soundcard or video you integrate on the board, they are still isolated by virtue of being bus-based, and don't interfere with POP standards as you suggest.

if you'd like to discuss wether AmigaOS4 should be open or not, that's another story, as that's your or my opinion, however the AmigaOne is a POP board, there is no opinion involved here and there's nothing to dispute.

Just out of curiosity, did someone happen to "tell" you that the A1 isn't a POP board, or did you decide this on your own? I'm just sort of curious where this started, as rumors like that might happen to hurt Eyetech if they decide to compete with Terrasoft on sales of PPC linux boards, and I wouldn't want to see anything like that happen unfairly. You know how bad these places can be with rumors.

As for the rest of the debate, I'm staying out of it =) I only posted because of the "not a POP board" comment.
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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2003, 04:01:10 AM »
@samface wrote:
> Who cares about if it was based on the POP
> reference design or not?

That was the whole issue I replied to, I won't get into the larger debate, but felt I did need to correct the POP comment.

> You still need a firmware and chipset standard in
> order to have a complete hardware platform
> standard with only one HAL for all motherboards
> complying to that standard.

This is already the case, actually. Thank god too, because that's what allows linux to run with the same modules and drivers on all current Mai chipset based boards. Linux would have been a nightmare to make work if all the Mai based boards required a separate HAL for every flavor. Thank god that's not the case.

Granted it's possible to manufacture a board that is NOT POP compliant that uses the Mai chipset, however nobody has done so yet. (It wouldn't make much sense to do so anyway, as you wouldn't be able to run the current Linux distros on it)

I'm not going to get involved with the license issue discussion, as it's pretty much a done deal, for better or worse, but as far as the "Open hardware" goes, the AmigaOne IS open hardware, it's just the OS that's closed, (for better or worse).
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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2003, 02:02:42 AM »
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Alkemyst wrote:
The petition is total crap.

Its not about saving AmigaOS.
How could all of us not buying Aone/Aos4 save amigaOS.
That would kill it out right.

NO more AmigaOS versions.
AMIGA.INC will then drop all AmigaOS ref. from its site
 
Hyperion will stay with MacOS/Linux

Eyetech will continue with the Linux version of the mobo.

And i will move on to Apple.

This petition is like a terrorist out fit. Do it My way or ill kill you off.


Alkemyst, you need to learn the difference between "Petition" and "Boycott"
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Re: Amiga, Inc: Close That Open Hardware!
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2003, 04:09:56 PM »
You know, Helgis75... if you really want this thread to end, that means YOU have to stop posting to it!! :roflmao:
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