I`m confused! Genesi VS Amiga.Inc....the saga continues.......

[T_Bone]

Amiga Inc themselves claimed that AmigaOS 4.2 is the upgrade to their AmigaDE.

Buck has the rights to the full upgrade path to AmigaDE.

This includes AmigaOS4.2+

The price has already been fixed by contract too, and it's cheaper than the deal Hyperion's getting!

[T_Bone]

takemehomegrandma wrote:
This could be the best thing that has happened to this community in YEARS (provided that Hyperion and Eyetech stops burning bridges and play their cards right)!

Finally peace and unity is within reach!

:-)

And everyone benefits, no matter where they are in the great divide right now.

Hell, even Seehund get's closer to his dream!  :lol:

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cecilia wrote:
Moobunny again???
i rarely go there - as another poster said, i see these things only when someone points them out - but as near as i can see, Moobunny is just another place for spam. and insults flying!
are we supposed tp believe head of companies go there to post policy??? (and people calling each other "idiots"!!!!)
If so, that's sad!
why are people airing their dirty laundry in public??

jesus, it's disgusting!
 :whack:

Moobunny is the mens room, sure, but you overhear a lot of neat stuff in the mens room! :lol:

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Down here too...

brother in law's wedding?  :-D

[T_Bone]

ottomobiehl wrote:
@Markus_Bieler

Your sig is freaking me out man. :-)

Hell, his AVATAR is freaking me out!  :lol:

[T_Bone]

restore2003 wrote:
hey! There are more important things happening than ur avatars and sigs  :-P

Where? :lol:

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IonDeluxe wrote:
Well yes BBRV is actually two people, yet Bill Buck seems to talk for both of them so often that it is pretty much synonomous with just Bill Buck.
Personally, it seems like Bill Buck has not the courage to stand on his own two feet but needs the crutch of RV.

You're single, we can tell  :lol:

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IonDeluxe wrote:
Once that it done he want s to force both of them to use his hardware, and if they dont then hyperion gets no lisence and niether does Eyetech get OS4.

I know this is kind of offtopic, but how come it's OK for a consumer to be forced to use specific hardware, but it's tyranny when a business must do so?

Hell, I'd be just as happy to have hardware removed from the picture entirely.

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uncharted wrote:

T_Bone wrote:
I know this is kind of offtopic, but how come it's OK for a consumer to be forced to use specific hardware, but it's tyranny when a business must do so?

There seems to be this often repeated hypocrasy from certain quarters.

Hyperion and Eyetech are evil and bad because they tie users to a certain piece of hardware, and yet please remind of all the platforms MorphOS is available for. What's that? Just Pegasos?

If you are going to complain about hardware/software tyranny, at least complain about everything, rather than who it is you have a personal problem with.

Who said I was complaining about a specific party? It's an acrossed the board statement. I don't like being told what hardware to use, especially when the choice is severly limited.

That wasn't aimed at the AmigaOne, or any other product specifically. I feel that way about AmigaOS, Windows, MacOS, PalmOS, you name it. It's a perfectly reasonable comment.

But anyway, my point wasn't even that... my point was that someone made a comment that it would be "tyranny" if a business were given a limited choice of specific hardware, yet as consumers it's hunky dory to have the same choice.

Although now I have another analogy... consumers can be yelled at saying "TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT" but when a business is told the same thing it's tyranny.

But I digress... the point I was trying to build up to is that 1000+ of the people in the community were concerned about the hardware licensing, for fear of the same kinds of things that seem to be happening right now between Genesi and Amiga Inc. Obviously this was a reasonable fear (especially in hindsight), as legal action, (founded or not), is being threatened.

You may not agree with my dislike for this hardare license situation, but you certainly can't say it's an unreasonable fear, especially in light of current events.

[T_Bone]

Rogue wrote:
And then what? Run it on thin air? I'm sorry to tell you, since it obviously escapes your attention, but computer programs usually *do* run on hardware, so it is kind of difficult to remove it from the picture.

Alternatively, you are one of the deluded few that think that Operating systems just port themselves to a different platform. I can assure you that this is wrong (I've tried putting the OS 4 CD next to my Mac and guess what - nothing happened).

So pray, how do you intent to "have hardware removed from the picture entirely".

When my daughter was 3, and you tried to make her go somewhere she didn't want to go, she'd have this defensive reaction where she'd let her arms and legs go limp, so that you couldn't lead her, pick her up, or in any other way move her.

You've just done the same thing in conversation.

I'm sure you know what I meant, but you disagree, so instead of ignoring me, or discussing it, you'd rather pretend I'm stupid as a defensive measure. It's unnecessary, I'm not insisting you have to agree with me.

[T_Bone]

Maybe you could give her robot a brain? It's been acting strangely, running in circles, etc... :-)

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cecilia wrote:

T_Bone wrote:
Maybe you could give her robot a brain? It's been acting strangely, running in circles, etc... :-)

That's not the organ I was thinking of!

(OH! did I say that???)

 :roflmao:

By the looks of that "hardware" on your robot, I don't know what kind of a match he'd be for it!  :lol:  :lol:  :hammer:

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Roj wrote:
The fact that you imply that the "giant" has been sleeping all this time doesn't exactly overwhelm me with confindence. :nervous:

Yea, I know..

Sh*t... Ray's in kind of a bad place. Amiga Inc has to be into him for AT LEAST $100 Grand by now. What else is he supposed to do? Give up? I really hope the Giant wakes up at least long enough that he gets what's owed to him.

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IonDeluxe wrote:
Right now we have the choiceof an Aone or pegaosos, we have the choiceof Pegasos or Aos. Both hyperion and eyetech have the choiceof the harware these will support.

Bill Buck intends to remove that choice from both the companies AND the consumer and call it "uniting" when in actual fact it is FORCING, and that is the "Tyranny" I was referring to.

Ok, that's a fair point. I can see where Hyperion and Eyetech would feel pushed around, but to the user who's planning on buying an AmigaOS4 machine when they come out, not much has changed really, just the name of the person making some of the decisions.... but if the customer doesn't get to choose his own board anyway, he's not likely going to care who makes that decision.

...that's if it even happens. I think it could make it to court, but I don't think it'd result in anything. I don't know.

The worst I see happening is the exclusive license becoming non-exclusive, I don't see it being voided.

[T_Bone]

QuikSanz wrote:
@T_Bone

" but to the user who's planning on buying an AmigaOS4 machine when they come out "

What do you mean when they come out? Mine will be here in a couple of days. Hmm, I smell a rip off coming.

Chris

You're talking about an "AmigaOne." I was talking about the final product, the software and the hardware, not the Earlybird version sans Operating System. That's what I meant by "an AmigaOS4 machine, " a machine running AmigaOS4.