Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)

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@Wayne

It still bothers me that people who should know better are still mealy-mouthing the issue after calling you a liar.

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> Read it again Lando, he clearly states he said he was considering joining Amiga..

I think that he actually accepted, or made it known that he was going too. Remember, Bill McEwen testified in tronmans court case that Garry Hare was the CEO. Either Bill was blatantly Lying, or Garry was fully expected to BE the CEO.

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"A business card doesn't constitute a legal ID card. Not in a single place in the world, to my knowledge. You can't walk into a police station and be identified with a friggin' business card. Don't confuse the two, you'll just make a fool out of yourself."

True, but representing yourself as the CEO of a corporation is a crime. I, however, don't believe that actually happened. I strongly suspect he was CEO for an instant, and things changed.

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@reflect
It's not Bill H's fault that this confusion exists, it's Garry's fault. The card said "Garry Hare, CEO Amiga inc." and handing out those cards IS representing yourself as CEO of Amiga Inc.

Add to that that Bill Mcewen even testified to it in court.

Like i said, I believe he wasn't misrepresenting himself, I believe he was anticipating being CEO, and I strongly suspect he held that position for at least an instant.

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> What positions have you held?
> What job are you in now?

Do business cards count?
 :-)

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@Iondeluxe
"Impersonation huh? it is impersonation if he said he was CEO, or said nothing. But he said he was not yet CEO of AMiga Inc and is thereby not impersonating a CEO. That is the "evidence" we have.Now so many people choose to ignore this "evidence" saying its not reliable,"(snip)

it's not reliable... We have heresay saying "I wasn't CEO" and then we have sworn testimony in federal court saying "Garry Hare is CEO"

When you have a contradiction of this nature, simple word of mouth is not reliable. Frankly, with the information available, one would be a fool to be certain either way. That's a lesson that should have been learned with the business cards themselves, and Amiga Inc's attempt to discredit them.

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@Iondeluxe
>As it comes directly from the source it is NOT hearsay.

Nothing you read is directly from the source. We are 3rd parties to the written word.

> I find it interesting how quickly the focus of the "blue side" has changed from Amiga Inc. to Gary Hare.

Garry Hare isn't a new topic, it's hardly the fault of any "side" that it's taken a year for these questions to be addressed. Add to that the bomb that was dropped when it was discovered he's owned the IP that Amiga hasn't owned in a year, and it's not surprising it's a hot topic. :-)

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Is it uncilivilised to suggest that this is most likely an IP laundering exercise? No, I think it is just being realistic.

Actually its just spreading FUD as there is not any real proof of this.

it's a reasonable suspicion, in light of Hyperion and Amiga publicly announcing that they would take measures to isolate Amiga's IP from hypothetical bankruptcy during the time this transaction had taken place.

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@vortexau

> Wayne, and you claim that the Card is (in your words) "genuine",

Yes, it's a "Geniune" business card. The card exists. It's not a "fake business card" but in fact, is actually a real business card that you can hold in your hand. it's not made up, it exists.

What did you think he meant?

If Garry Hare had personally handed you the card, and people called you a liar and said you photoshopped the card, how would you describe the card? Seriously?

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> It is NOT Gary Hare we should be chastising

I somewhat agree. I place the blame squarely on everyone who KNEW the truth, and never spoke up while they watched people who were telling the truth be called liars. That's a damnable offense, quite literally.

What saves Garry is that he doesn't read the forums, so I can't say he participated, but we all know a few people that HAD to know, that watched these threads and even participated in them, while knowing the truth.

Both Fleecy and Bill Mc were certainly aware the card was real, and remained silent as people were called liars, and said nothing. I find comfort in the fact they will no longer have anything to do with AmigaOS because I never want to be in the position to have anything to do with them ever again. I suspect BB knew too, but I can't be positive, but if he did, the same applies.

Remaining silent while watching others being called liars, when you know the truth is right up there in the top 3 on the stone tablets.

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> MY dictionary states:
> 1 really coming from its stated, advertised, or
> reputed source.

And it DID come from the stated source. it's not rocket science. This is what I mean about the mealy-mouthing.

This is reduculous! Garry prints up cards saying he's the CEO of Amiga, and it's WAYNES fault that it's false information. Unbelievable.

It's like Bizarro World.

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> This is great! I've never seen such obsession with a trivial issue.

It's not a trivial issue. people were accused of lying, while people who knew the truth let it happen. These people who sat in silence are despicable.

For me, it's not about "Who's the CEO" or any other angle that's been argued. It's the act above that's pissed me off. It's inexcusable.