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Re: Team Amiga Reaction to the Bernithlon Situation
« on: December 05, 2002, 02:55:04 AM »
> I agree, and that's the reason why I immediately
> disregarded their message.

> H&P in particular may be in some hot water right
> now, but I can't help but notice all those German
> names in the last few OS releases, not to mention
> all the fancy accelerators and video
> boards...maybe
> Team Amiga has some of their own hardware
> designs
> on the back burner? Or a better OS maybe?

Everyone knows why the German flag is there, to be offended by it is ridiculous.

> I still agree with some of the issues being raised,
> but I think it is unfair to make Amiga dealers bear
> the brunt. They have paid for the product already;
> it's not their fault.

The product has been publicly illegal for six months now. They've had more than enough time to get rid of old stock. Legally, they shouldn't even have had that. try selling Windows illegally for six months and see if anyone cares how "fair" it is that you got stuck with illegal products.

it's "Illegal", you don't get to sell "Illegal" goods just because you think it's "fair", it's still a crime. The distributers need to take this up with whomever is supplying *them* with the illegal products. Period. if the Vendor doesn't reinburse the distributer, the distributer should seriously think about discontinuing their business relationship with that vendor. To handle this in any other way, is not only wrong, but illegal, this is the ONLY way.

People are just going to have to accept it, be LEGAL or we'll shop elsewhere. Imagine that.

> Maybe Team Amiga should buy the
> remaining copies and donate the proceeds.

Team Amiga  isn't the villian, for just once do you think you people could direct your contempt towards the +people causing the problems* for a change?

Only H&P and a handfull of retailers are responsible for the illegal sales now taking place. Let those commiting the crime be held liable for eating the cost of the illegal merchandise.

Amiga will never get anywhere untill the garbage has been cleaned out of the backyard. This is a step in the right direction.
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Re: Team Amiga Reaction to the Bernithlon Situation
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2002, 03:12:01 AM »
Quote

-D- wrote:
Yeah, the miggy pyramid is totally gay...


So is having your livlihood destroyed by thieves who decide to sell your product ignoring the owners copyright.

So is being a user watching as developer after developer stop publishing/pull their products and walk away from the Amiga community because of these criminals.

Jeeze, I really hope the little .gif animation doesn't somehow become the dominant issue here.
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Re: Team Amiga Reaction to the Bernithlon Situation
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2002, 03:40:02 AM »
>  Look T-Bone, I don't have to 'join up' with
> Team Amiga OR H&P in order to have an opinion
> on this.

I'm not a member of either one, either.

> I think their both lame in this
> situation. H&P delivers their usual corporate
> BS, and Team Amiga is drawing insulting
> animations.

You're insulted that the German flag was used? Do you believe they meant "Germans" or "H&P" by doing that? I thought it was rather obvious myself. Maybe they could be talked into removing it, it seems to be distracting people apparently.

> It's silly to use the flag of an entire country to
> represent ONE company in that country.

However they did say they were obfuscating the company, didn't they? I thought two flags next to each other clearly portrayed the idea "german pirates" especially when they said they wern't mentioning the company.

> That's like using the US flag as the definitive
> symbol for the Ford Escort or Bill Clinton.

Maybe, but it's a strawman issue you're building. I think the issue they were addressing is more important than the 64k .gif you're complaining about. Hell they can remove the .gif for all I care.

> Personally, I think it sucks that Mr.Meyer is losing
> out on this one, and I really hope he gets his money
> out of it. But boycotting Software Hut isn't going to
> solve the problem, IMO.

Is Software Hut selling illegal merchandise? If so, how does encouraging people to not contribute to fraud not helping?

Sure you have a right to your opinon, but frankly I think defending illegal acts that are destroying products and developers, not theoretically, but quite visibly, is just plain destructive in and of itself.

Why should Software Hut be exempted from the same laws that any other software retailer must abide by? I can make a case against it, but can you make a case for it?

I don't understand how "Don't buy from merchants that sell illegal merchandise" has become a controvercial subject, it seems perfectly reasonable to me.


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Re: Team Amiga Reaction to the Bernithlon Situation
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2002, 04:04:47 AM »
> The fact of the matter (as I see it) is that Amiga
> DEALERS don't deserve to be boycotted out of
> this.

I agree, therefore I hope they send them back to H&P for a refund. Legally they have that right. H&P would either have to comply, or risk retailers ending their business relationships with them.

(which btw would'nt be a bad idea anyhow)

> Boycott the product, boycott H&P, if you like, but
> the fact of the matter is this: the Amiga DEALERS
> have purchased this product under the pretense
> from H&P that it is fully-legal.  

Well, that was a risk they took by dealing with a disreputable company.  they'll have to take that up with H&P. Maybe if H&P are supplying them with illegal merchandise, the retailer should take the hint and stop dealing with H&P?

Frankly, If I were the retailer, I would have stopped ordering from H&P the minute the legality was questioned by the software's author. (as most have)

> H&P still claim that this product they are selling is
> legal.  If vendors couldn't sell any products which
> have had their legality called into question, we
>  wouldn't have much for sale in ANY business, let
>  alone computing!  

Why? Are you thinking of some other software that's being distributed against the public advise of the author that it's illegal? I can't think of any, honestly.

> The dealers are only letting the consumers decide
>  on a product by product basis what they think.  

it's a shame those nasty laws get in the way sometimes, but it's still illegal. Consumers are only letting the dealers decide what they think, when they say they won't purchase from someone dealing in illegal merchandise, too.

> Deciding on a dealer by dealer basis is foolish.

I agree, no specific dealer should be targeted, only dealers selling illegal merchandise.
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Re: Team Amiga Reaction to the Bernithlon Situation
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2002, 06:55:17 AM »
> Anymore questions on my position regarding the
flag?

Lol, sorry, my reply didn't get sent untill you had already relied to my previous reply, and they somewhat staggered themselves :)

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