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Re: The DVD don't play, innit...
« on: June 29, 2006, 11:27:31 PM »
@X-ray

What DVD player did you get?
 

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Re: The DVD don't play, innit...
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2006, 11:29:58 PM »
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The_Editor wrote:
Getting her to test it on the pc is the first priority.

The dvd has probably been encoded to PAL.

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DVD's are never PAL/NTSC/SECAM encoded. Technically speaking, PAL/NTSC/SECAM refer to the color encoding schemes for color analogue video.

 

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Re: The DVD don't play, innit...
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2006, 04:21:04 AM »
@Tigger

Actually you're wrong.  The color encoding schemes can be quite independant of the number of lines and refresh rate (ever heard of 'PAL 60' ?).

It just happens to be coincidence that nearly all countries that use PAL color encoding for TV also use 50/625, and all that use NTSC use 60/525.

DVD uses MPEG 2 compression with a YUV color model. Because it's digital it has nothing to do with PAL/NTSC (the color encoding systems), however, it is common for
DVD producers to use the terms PAL and NTSC to refer to the different resolution and refresh rates, presumably out of laziness.

I hope that clears things up.

 

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Re: Gosh.... like Napoleon Dynamite...
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2006, 06:39:28 AM »
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Its not a coincidence, its an artifact of the power source and the color information in the country, you are acting as if they resolution was decided independently, it most definitely wasn't.


Actually, I'm not. I wonder where you get that idea!

PAL is a tweak of NTSC (color). Do you suppose that the phase is reversed every alternate line _only_ for 50Hz countries? Hmmm.. why do that? No, the color systems are independant of refresh rates & number of scan lines.

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Which part of MPEG2 D1 streams did you not understand?


Well, according to what I've read D1 doesn't exactly define a certain resolution.

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As for the Pal 60 format you talked about, or the PAL I, PAL N, etc all of them are based on different frame rates, sizes because of local conditions, this basically proves my point not yours


But that IS my point.

My point all along was that PAL is independant of resolution/framerate. And you argued against me, and now you're arguing exactly what I was arguing - contradicting yourself, mind you - and now telling me that I was wrong??

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In addition, understand NTSC started out as a monochrome format at 60 Fields, and 525 lines (not all viewable), there was no color, so implying that NTSC only has to do with color is silly, it was a monochrome spec (adopted in 1941), we later added the color carrier wave with NTSC II,

I know. I'm using 'NTSC' in the context of NTSC Vs PAL, as in the differences in color signal (obviously, PAL only existed after color NTSC).

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DVDs are sold as PAL and NTSC formats for a reason, even D-VHS is sold in PAL and NTSC formats unfortunately.


Hang on, didn't you just 'agree with' my point about color signals (ie NTSC Vs PAL) as being independant of resolution/framerate?

Anyway, that doesn't mean that what's recorded on the media (especially in the case of digital) is PAL or NTSC. It's really neither.

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