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Offline tone007

Re: Top 3 worst ideas in Amiga history?
« on: February 10, 2010, 03:58:42 PM »
Quote from: dannyp1;542423
3.  Only one video slot in all big boxes except for the A4000T (If you want to use a video toaster, forget using a graphics card.


Why wouldn't you be able to use a graphics card with a video toaster installed?  There are other Zorro slots available.  Video slot scandoubler, however, could be a problem but most likely VT users are using 15khz output for at least some of their work anyway.
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Offline tone007

Re: Top 3 worst ideas in Amiga history?
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2010, 05:11:00 PM »
Quote from: tokyoracer;542448
3: CDTV.


You've gotta admit the black CDTV keyboard is pretty awesome, though.
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Offline tone007

Re: Top 3 worst ideas in Amiga history?
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2010, 07:14:04 PM »
A couple of people have said networking should have been built in, I don't believe this is the case.  When Amigas were in their prime, most home users' idea of networking was a modem.  Ethernet wasn't much of a concern for home users (never mind that there were other standards competing,) and network adapters were available for businesses that may have needed them.  

However, networking was built in, at least for small scale home use, ParNET and whatever else you felt like doing via the serial port.  What other home computers of the time were shipping with (at the time) business class network adapters?
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Offline tone007

Re: Top 3 worst ideas in Amiga history?
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2010, 09:02:41 PM »
Quote from: mpiva;542518
The decision to put a HD floppy in the A4000 was good the fact the drive was 1.5 height left you with a completely useless 0.5 height drive bay.


All of the 4000s I've seen have had standard-sized HD drives and a normal bay free.
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Offline tone007

Re: Top 3 worst ideas in Amiga history?
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2010, 09:09:39 PM »
Quote from: Karlos;542537
I think a much bigger problem is the depth of the 5.25 inch bay. I have seen a few A4K's with CD drives protruding out of the front.


I can agree with that one. They didn't make drives to fit that spot until 10 years later.
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Offline tone007

Re: Top 3 worst ideas in Amiga history?
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2010, 09:52:19 PM »
Quote from: TheMagicM;542547
Gave no incentive to users to upgrade to run better software.


Faster is a good incentive!
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Offline tone007

Re: Top 3 worst ideas in Amiga history?
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2010, 11:16:26 PM »
Quote from: stefcep2;542566
it was to play Doom-on the PC.  Doom and the lack of a chunky mode is what killed the Amiga's status as the games computer of choice.


Quote from: Wikipedia
The first public version of Doom was uploaded to Software Creations BBS and an FTP server at the University of Wisconsin–Madison on December 10, 1993.


..and if Doom couldn't do it in four months, surely the bankruptcy of Commodore finished the job!
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Offline tone007

Re: Top 3 worst ideas in Amiga history?
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2010, 09:14:14 AM »
Quote from: quarkx;542799
The funny thing is that the A2000 is by far, the most expandable Amiga ever made and the upgrades are relatively cheap and easy compared to all the other models.


No.
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Offline tone007

Re: Top 3 worst ideas in Amiga history?
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2010, 02:20:40 PM »
Lame!
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Offline tone007

Re: Top 3 worst ideas in Amiga history?
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2010, 03:46:55 PM »
Quote from: Hell Lame;542846
blurp blurp blurp


Your keyboard's not a urinal!
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Offline tone007

Re: Top 3 worst ideas in Amiga history?
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2010, 05:12:00 PM »
Well, you've forgotten the 3000T and the 4000T, but lets take a step back.

Cost wise, are you saying it'd be cheaper to buy a Picasso II board for an A2000 than it would be to buy one for an A4000?  No, they cost the same because most of the hardware the A2000 can use is usable in the A4000 as well.

Accelerator cards are comparably priced across the range as well, depending on the processors.  The A2000, however, requires an accelerator card to be useful, while the A3000 has a 68030 built in, and the 4000 wasn't available with anything less (not counting the odd prototype '020 card.)  If you want a 68030 in your A2000, you're spending $100-$200, putting your A2000 in the price range of an A3000 machine. Going up the range, 68040 cards are available for all and are similarly priced (though a 3640 is cheaper than any '040 card you'll find for the 2000,) and '060 cards are expensive for any machine (but easier to find for the 3000/4000 range.)  Those Blizzard 2060's aren't growing on trees.  Oh, and if you want 2MB of chip RAM in your A2000, you're spending another ~$100 for a MegAChip.

The A2000 is expandable, yes, and they require a bunch of it to be useful.

edit: I'll take a step back myself and say I'm not agreeing with those who said the A2000 was a bad idea.  It was clearly superior to the A1000 in terms of expandability, but it was most definitely surpassed by later machines.
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Offline tone007

Re: Top 3 worst ideas in Amiga history?
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2010, 03:55:14 PM »
Quote from: amigadave;544673
I just got an A500+ in a trade (in which I got totally screwed, thank Eric), but have never heard about any "backward compatibility issues" until now.  Please tell me what issues the A500+ has.  Mine has a AmigaOS3.1 Kickstart ROM installed in it.


Some older games didn't like the KS2.0, 1MB Chipram, and/or ECS video it came with.
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