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Re: Latest Issue of Club Amiga Monthly Available Now
« on: April 02, 2003, 05:39:05 PM »
Hi,

It seems you're a member if you pay that 50 Euro's/dollars

As I have paid it last year around June, I believe I'm also part of the club.

I mailed to that support-mail adress if they can clarify why I'm still no member.

Hopefully someone will answer :-)

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Re: Latest Issue of Club Amiga Monthly Available Now
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2003, 08:28:10 AM »
Hello everybody,

There's happened a lot in this news post after I posted my stuff!

@everybody
It's clear there's much disagreement about the 50 Euro/dollar coupon. Otherwise this news post wouldn't be so big with input from all sides (pro/negative/neutral)

@people giving summary of the CAM
Thank you very much! :-)

@SlimJim
You've got a good point about the part that people who paid (like me) should speak up towards Amiga Inc. It's after all our money given because Amiga Inc said that the boards would be available in a very short time, and I paid this money in June in the year of 2002!!!!!!!
This leads me to a piece of Kay's post

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..........For example, you seem to think that the lack of the bloody T-shirt (damn I'm tired of the whining about the T-shirt) and the coupon is something permanent, while I think it is something which will be resolved as AInc's financial situation improves. Time will tell who is right.

It's ofcourse clear that Amiga Inc. have some troubles with their finance, otherwise we surely would have those t-shirts already!
But the point is: Was Amiga Inc. already in financial problems when they asked money from us last year or not?!!?
Because then it's clear for everybody what Amiga Inc. is as a company. (fill in by yourself)
But if Amiga Inc. got financial problems AFTER the 50 Euro/dollar coupon-deal, why didn't they tell everybody what happened!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's really that simple!
So Kay, you've written this part about "...AInc's financial situation improves...." from your own feeling and thinking (always good ofcourse :-)), but this has more implications for AInc. What if all those who paid (someone said over a 1000) would go to sue AInc. Do you think Amiga Inc. would survive it?

I'll give you my personal feeling about this:
I think that Amiga Inc. would survive it! But then they would drop the Amiga community officially and go on making stuff for what they are doing now at this moment, pocketpc's!
Somewhere else I mentioned the following (a summary):

Who do you trust more:

- A company with a new product for a small community. To survive they make stuff that has nothing to do with the targeted community.

Or:

- A company with a new product for a small communtiy. To survive they sell stuff that is part of their new product for this small community.

In clear words:

Amiga Inc. makes software for pocketpc's. This software should be available for this Amiga community when OS5 hits the street somewhere in.......????????? So this has nothing to do with the community of now!

Or:

Genesi made a product for this community and they sell their hardware+software to a Scandinavian(?) company as settop box. In this way they are still in this community and every effort they make to make that piece of hardware better or a code in the software better comes available for this community.

I really think that Amiga Inc. will survive WITHOUT the support of this community, because they already are making something that has nothing to do with this community. Where as Genesi is relying on this community for their survival. Let's face it, how big is the market of settop boxes for a new company? They can make more profit if they sell the same stuff as desktops !

I really want to support Amiga, but not a company who makes only promises and not goods for this community.
Instead I've more trust in Hyperion/Eyetech! I sure would love to see the money I spent on Amiga Inc. did go to these guys, because they are the people who are making the real product and not Amiga Inc.!

As you know I made my decision in January after so many excuses about the delay and bought the Pegasos. From then until now Genesi delivered twice an update of their software, gave a bonus in the last one: a little Tetris-clone and Voyager.
They told everybody about the Pegasos 2, clearly told everybody about their plans with Pegasos 1 (i.e. it is a startup board and that the Peg2 is the real thing for public). As far as I know they haven't told as many un-truth's as Amiga Inc. have done!

To make it clear, I made my decisions out of rational thinking (see the 2 company's part in this very long post :-)). I am one of the few in this community who did have only a physically real Amiga, no pc with a Amiga-emulator running or whatever. And yes, I'm proud of it. This doesn't mean however I have a problem with guys/girls who have a pc at home! :-)
I am just a guy who don't want a physically pc at home with Windows running in it. Instead I want to have a good emulator to run Windows!, because unfortunately our community isn't uptodate to the software standards of these times and Bill Gates has total dominionship over all that has to do with software standards, again unfortunately.
(this is a remark to software for general public and not for the professional market!)
I want a computer that has an efficient OS and not an OS for which you have to locate a computer for, because it is bloated like............(again, please fill in yourself).

I've made my choice to NOT sue Amiga Inc, for the money they got from me, but instead trying to get some of the promises they made, in this case the CAM. That is why I did post it in this news post (see almost at the beginning of this news post).

Hmmm, somewhere I lost my comments directly towards Kay, sorry Kay. :-)

Ok, this was a very big post with a lot of personal feelings in it. I guess it was brewing inside to come out :-)
I'll shut up about this subject from now on.

Spidey

ps: please people, if you want to reply on something in this post, remember, these are my personal feelings and don't take sentences apart to make a point or so. Please see the whole picture I wanted to give to you :-)
 

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Re: Latest Issue of Club Amiga Monthly Available Now
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2003, 09:09:27 AM »
Hi SlimJim,

I really don't know what my main beef is in this post! :-D
I summed a lot of personal feelings from general stuff about the companies to this CAM deal.
(see my post to Alkemyst about the companies-part)

About the registration-part. As you've read in my first post in this newspost I've mailed the support with my question to get me enlisted for the CAM.

You know, I really believe Amiga Inc. should have covered this part from the moment they asked for the coupon-deal. From a consumers perspective this is something you expect from a company, or not?
But anyway, I'll inform you about the progress :-)

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Re: Latest Issue of Club Amiga Monthly Available Now
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2003, 09:38:12 AM »
Hi Alkemyst,

You've added Eyetech and Hyperion.
But officially they are not the people with which we should discuss about the future of the Amiga.
It is Amiga Inc.
Amiga Inc decided to let third parties make the hardware and software.
That is why I only mentioned Amiga Inc. and Genesi.
And the problem for me was the combination of all positve peptalk of Amiga Inc. and the downside of it, all the delays, because the software and hardware weren't that ready as Amiga Inc. stated.

If from the start Hyperion and Eyetech were the companies saying they were busy making OS4 with new hardware, I don't think we would have as many discussions as we have now, don't you think?
(we as in Amiga community)
And I wouldn´t have my thoughts about the companies.

One question though: you mention about not trusting A = trusting B.
In that part I explained that thought with the activities they do to survive and finance the developing for this Amiga community (software for pocketpc's and settop boxes). And with these activities in mind I made my decision. Would you want to give your opinion on the part of the activities they do?

I stated on several occassions that I will support Hyperion when they deliver OS4. even if I can't run it!
I am not that rich to support Eyetech for their hardware, sorry guys from Eyetech.

Yes, everybody has personal reasons to do something. I judge for myself Amiga Inc. and Genesi as companies doing something and not the people from those companies personally mailing stuff in these forums.
With this I mean that I don't judge BB for what he is mailing personally on these forums, because every action has it's reaction (physics law). So sometimes he starts something and sometimes he reacts at somebody else.  (in this way I also don't judge HyperionMp, HMetal and others what they are personally mailing ofcourse)
But instead I look what Genesi is mailing officially as company and in this way what Amiga Inc. is mailing (do you understand what I am trying to say? I really should learn more English! :-))

I did say this too somewhere else: I really hope the two systems will survive, because we'll have more people combined in this way with an Amiga-like system. So the combined future will be more bright! :-D

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Re: Latest Issue of Club Amiga Monthly Available Now
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2003, 09:38:55 PM »
Hi HMetal,

Just mailed the question!

And again thank you for your fast reaction! :-D
I really appreciate it.

Spidey