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[Nlandas]

    Is that Troll bait? Because I for one won't own a product by Apple if they paid me. Steve Jobs is far worse than Bill Gates.

I am quite happy with my free with contract Treo.

[Nlandas]

Sorry AmigaDave, I didn't mean to rant -- I'm simple amazed at the shear about of free iPhone press that Apple is getting and it just "set me off" when I saw it here. I apologize in advance and I'm sure I just ruined your thread, as it'll now devolve into a platform thread. It's just that Apple's iPhone isn't all that innovative - smartphones have been doing the majority of it's features for years. As normal Apple has simple done a good job of packaging and marketing their version of it.

Bill Gates, while a ruthless competitor typically stands by his deals. I do believe that both Bill and Steve have held back the industry. The book "On The Edge" does a great job of describing Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. Steve is by far the worse. I believe that Apple has lied more in it's marketing than any other vendor in the PC industry. They still do it today in their Mac vs. PC adds.

I have no love for Microsoft either, my Treo runs PalmOS and my next will run a Linux variant. Apple has been ripping off consumers for years. As you say, their products are over priced and they are the sole source of those products. While Windows may be a virtual monopoly, it runs on thousands of hardware vendors machines. I have more choice with Microsoft OSs than someone has with Apple. (Yes, I realize the irony that Amiga was a sole source provider of AmigaOS hardware as well - I never liked that either. I thought they should have allowed cloning back in 1987.)

Of course I'd rather run Linux or actually AmigaOS if it's ever updated and released on modern hardware, I stand by my statement -- I will never own an Apple product. It'd rip my heart out if AmigaOS 4 was ported to Mac Mini like many here talked about.

I don't agree that Apple is light years ahead of anyone, except in marketing. We have 50+ Mac OS X machines here that we support and they are not any easier to use and are harder to support. (There are simply less sources of information and no local repair shops.) OS X crashes, has bugs, doesn't well support all hardware(especially printers) contrary to Apple's marketing. All OS X is, is a variant of NextOS/BSD with a pretty front end with a premium price tag. Once again Apple has done a GREAT job of marketing Unix to the masses.

To go slightly more back on topic -

The RIM 9000 looks really neat. As does the new Palm slated to use a Linux variant.

Other than the multi-touch interface, why do feel that the iPhone's interface is really that compelling over the RIM or Treo lines or even the new Samsung with multi-touch?

[Nlandas]

amigadave wrote:
Well, I have never seen a crash on any of my Macs, but I have only been using Mac devices since my first Mac, a G4 Powerbook of a few years ago.

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But when it comes to a mainstream computer that I want to use for working, I want and expect it to work just like every other appliance in my home, just like my TV, phone, refrigerator, etc.  I just want to plug it in and use it for what it is intended.  With a Mac, that is what happens, it just works.  

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By the way, Palm comes in a close second in my opinion.

    I'm glad you've had such a positive experience with them. I can tell you after supporting them for 18 years that everything doesn't always go smoothly with them. If you only use Apple devices or certain products listed as compatible you are usually OK. They do get a lot less support than PC compatibles do when it comes to drivers and bug fixes to drivers. In an enterprise environment this can be a pain.

     We have Mac users telling us but Apple says it just works. you hook it up and it finds the device and it just works. Meanwhile, the piece of graphics software they are using has a bug that causes it to not correctly talk to the Xerox driver and print server and when it does, it doesn't support the paper size that they want to use, unless you first type a cryptic command into the CLI. We literally have to create little guides of "work arounds" for our Mac labs and the users simple accept them as normal.

     I don't love Windows but I've installed thousands of systems with it and believe it or not, it just works too. Finds a wireless network and sets it up, plug and plays printers, etc. Really don't love Microsoft but wow, if Apple were a political party they'd be the kings of rhetoric.

Doesn't crash.
Can connect to any device automatically and work with it.
It just works.
Runs faster than any other PC.
Is easier to use.
Is better for graphics.
Makes you cool.

I thought Amiga had a cult following. :-o Then I realized that most Amiga users have no problem using other technologies, they just had reasons for liking the Amiga.

Keep on keeping on.  :-D  We'll just have to agree, to disagree on how evil Apple is. Sounds like we have some common ground on Palm and Amiga. RIM is pretty cool too - I guess they all run on a Linux variant and the times I've been able to play with a blackberry it's been easy to use.

I guess I'm still a hold out, who'd love to see AmigaOS used as the strong basis for a new modern OS that runs on common hardware.

[Nlandas]

spihunter wrote:
 I agree with alot the anti Bill Gates & Apple stuff thats been said here but this is a phone not a home computer.

There's alot of competition on the smart phone market these
days. thats why they keep getting better and better at a fast rate.

Right now the 3G iphone is the "Amiga" of smart phones. I dont care who made it. Its pretty awesome and I'm thinking about getting one.

So, if the anti-christ made a really cool techno-widget you'd be sure to send him your do re me? Yes, it's a phone but it's profits go to Apple. :-P

If I needed 3G, I'd wait for the RIM to be done.

However, it's not my money - but I send none of it to Apple and as little of it to Microsoft that I can't help.

To each their own. :crazy:

-Nyle  

[Nlandas]

Wayne wrote:

Nlandas wrote:
Steve Jobs is far worse than Bill Gates.

I am quite happy with my free with contract Treo.

How in the bleep could you POSSIBLY come up with the idea that Jobs is worse than Bill Gates???

I had a treo (650) once.  Was even asked to write a review on it and couldn't bother because I had ZERO nice to say about it.  Couldn't stand the thing.  

It kept mysteriously turning the phone off every time it lost digital signal.  Palm said "thanks for the money" and refused to even bother looking at it.  

Wayne

Easily, read some history from people who have dealt with Steve Jobs in the business industry. He stole most of his "good" ideas as well. He's also lied for years to sell his product. The term, "Snake Oil salesman" comes to mind.

Treo 650, hmmmm, don't know I had the Treo 600 and 680. There were some bugs in the battery meter on the 680 that were a pain. I did cut Palm a lot of slack on that one but Apple isn't any better. We've dealt with flaws in iPods, iPhones, Macs, etc. Apple takes the same stance. "Pound Salt."

-Nyle

[Nlandas]

All you iPhone people take a close look at the extra contract cost on the new iPhone. Guess what, the hardware may be cheaper but on average you're looking at a lot of additional data contract charges.

There is the smooth marketing ploys again.

LOOK! The new iPhone, LESS EXPENSIVE than ever before.

      Just don't look at the fine print okay.

-Nyle

Fortune.com ->

"The average iPhone user however, runs up a $100 tab each month due to the higher priced data and calling plan. This would give AT&T an even quicker payback on its $200 outlay. But AT&T doesn’t get to keep all the money it collects from its iPhone users. Unlike most other phonemakers (but like BlackBerry maker Research in Motion (RIMM)) Apple has a revenue-sharing arrangement that requires telcos like AT&T to pay somewhere between 9% and 25% of the money collected each month from iPhone users."

[Nlandas]

motorollin wrote:

Nlandas wrote:
All you iPhone people take a close look at the extra contract cost on the new iPhone. Guess what, the hardware may be cheaper but on average you're looking at a lot of additional data contract charges.

There are no additional charges in the UK.

Must be the Apple minions are smarter in the UK. The AT&T model is going to charge more for data. Just be sure to read the full contract with the new iPhone.

[Nlandas]

Quick tip but for all your iPhone updates, if you don't already visit here - Gizmodo.

They cover every little tidbit in gory detail.