News of Free 060 Like Apollo Core License

[wawrzon]

If they really appear on the newest core release, then you should report those issues. And, if you want to make a good job while you are at it, try whether the same problem appears if you run the suspect code on WinUAE with 040-jit setting.

i guess you meant "040-no jit setting". thats how the binary can be properly tested. recompilation on the fly may hide issues. other than that whether you use 040 or 060 setting on uae to my knowledge, its something close to 040 thats being emulated anyway.

[wawrzon]

So i have been ripped off twice again and sits on hardware for a fortune that will not be fully functional for me just like the V600? ;(

I knew i should have stayed away from it when i bought the second card but i was even more stupid when i bought the third one.

to each his own. if you couldnt wait, its what you are being left with. contrary to you and probably some others customers constantly banging their doors, intead of hoarding stuff and trying to get hold of any new release you might have remained supportive for apollo project from the distance while waiting for it to unfold and ripe to reflect your expectations. i do.

certainly, developing new features and polishing old ones doesnt render delivered product any more unusable than it was at the time of release. i think it was clear up front, that the team will utilize sales to upgrade their proposition eventually. demanding that the upbringing needs to quit at the moment of your aquisition, in order to preserve its value is unrealistic and rather asocial. live with your choices.

[wawrzon]

I moan about the slow development.

you must be joking. slow development? compared to what? your favourite os4? in my book the development here is furious..

I hate it when people beg to open source stuff but here it might be kind of suitable

yeah. put everything you gathered on forums upside down and there, we have a sensible post. congrats.

[wawrzon]

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that, Gunnar would simply just have to write the HDL to create a compatible MMU. He refuses.

simply write hdl.. know what? he said its down the priority list, to write hardware mmu compatinility wrapper. if you think its immediately important, you can contibute to funding it. other than that i dontt think he owes you some feature or other. you can simply stay away from his offer, rather than trying to scare him away and disapoint the majortity of those, fond of such an exceptional option.

I'm waiting for Gunnar to add an 040 or 060 compatible MMU and FPU. Or for someone else to do an equivalent board that supports it. Unfortunately Gunnar is doing his best to stop either of those things happening.

yeah gunnar tries to prevent implementation of an fpu.. and whats that:
http://apollo-core.com/knowledge.php?b=2¬e=10876&z=VbGYA8
O: ??!

That isn't true at all, the only trolls are speaking in favour of Apollo.

If you're serious then lets start with an easy one, NetBSD http://wiki.netbsd.org/ports/amiga/

Then how about http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/MMULib

Quite a useful one here http://aminet.net/package/dev/debug/enforcer (Enforcer 37.73, supports 68060). Apparently 68080 is compatible with 68060 and this version of Enforcer supports 68060 so of course it will work (wrong).

I don't know if you really believe what you're saying, or whether you're just trying to be a troll yourself.

hard time trying to find an mmu dependant amiga software? i agree mutools would be nice to have, but it starts to be boring that you guys always refer to it and netbsd as support of your rants, coul go find another example to entertain us a bit more;)

[wawrzon]

A whole range of plugins for AdPro, SView, ImageFx etc, various ixemul versions and everything that depend on them, like sox, lame, ffmpeg etc.

i didnt recall ixemul itself depends on fpu, it rather depends on what math lib you are linking your program against, before even linking against ixemul stub.

[wawrzon]

Right?

wrong..

[wawrzon]

Only problem with AROS is that it doesn't bring this emotional "load" as AmigaOS (same with MorphOS).

well, when it runs on your amiga your usual amiga software it actually feels like an amiga. okay, stupid theme and an ugly default icon set aside, which both can be replaced. on the other hand default zune settings look usually better than mui and still are configurable without stealing a keyfile you may not be able to register anymore.

[wawrzon]

Good, I am glad you think so.

im doing it. the development may find place in cross compiler environment, as well as inititial testing. but the hard part in many cases especially for low level stuff needs to be confirmed on an actual sytem via serial debug. unfortunatelly it confirms that the emulation is these days still not enough for everything.

[wawrzon]

The main problem with AROS is that it's too similar to AmigaOS, so multicore & memory protection is an issue.

yes, on amiga-m68k target smp, while possible ,if only there was hardware for it, would cause incompatibility. not so on x64.