Phase 5 Digital Products comeback?

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funny that people seem to fall regularly for obvious scams.

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It looks more like a 030 or 060 board as it has the side connector for the SCSI module which the BlizzardPPC does not have.

Cheers,
D.

its blizzard 060.

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They can always license the 68080 from Apollo Team. Imagine that... a PPC with Apollo CORE AND PPC.

not very appealing..

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i'd pay a fortune for that. seriously. i'd sell some of my NG gear if needed to afford that.

-- eliyahu

and what would that gain you? seriously, all the time im hearing the genuine amigas are not worth it, better to switch to ppc "ng" gear to start with, because amigas do not provide enough ressources, especially to run anything like os4, and now this?

especially that there is currently an active ppc project out there to supply amiga big boxes with a faster ppc option compatible with warpos and os4 in perspective. you only need to buy a mediator bus board and source a sonnet ppc card.

in my opinion warpos software library counting few hundred titles but only few notable apps doesnt justify any investments in ppc/68k hybrid hardware. the only justification for ppc is usage of os4 and/or morphos, but both render the 68k completely unnecessary. if anything a ppc relacement mainboard for amiga cases might be considered a proper solution for ppc diehards, whils this still sounds like an absurdity.

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@wawrzon
i use perfectpaint all the time

perfect paint? i think this is coded in amiblitz and must have been abandoned since it was pretty buggy and would have to be rewritten from the scratch in order to maintain it. but being amiblitz software it is a pure 68k binary, it doesnt take advantage of warpos and if you mean that you are using it under os4 under emulation, then it doesnt require a genuine amiga anyway. so i dont see an argument here.

but in case you are just confusing perfect paint with personal paint, which has a native os4 binary in the meantime, im not sure why would you want to utilize amiga chipset display with it while on os4.

so while im not trying to impose my view on anybody, im still not certain what value a warpos solution would represent today except an emotional one..

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Were we to do nothing but sit here focused on legacy systems, our community would face its continued diminishment.

the comunity faces revival currently thanks to propositions in what you call "legacy systems" sector. it is ppc focus that led to dimnishment all these years..

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But A-eon appears to be trying to remedy things.

yes. i think it alas boils down to exactly and only this. it looks very much like defensive tactics trying to stuff one hole and even before its done move to another one while water is flooding the ship through hundred others. in addition to this, they are not even an experienced shipmate but a prosperous and romantically motivated passenger trying to save the vessel, while the captain and at least most part of the crew either escaped or lay drunk in the cabins, after they locked everybody else away from the machine room.

in comparison auch an energetic straightforward approach like the onne being displayed by apollo/vampire team appears, no matter all the mistakes underway, to be a future proof and compentent wholesale strategy..

You know, instead of a new A1200 from Jens, I'd rather have a PCIe X1 plug in Amiga card for the AmigaOne or G5 PCIe Mac. Then we could really incorporate legacy software into the NG base.

might be of interest for some, but since it doesnt offer much beyond uae, even for underpowerden ppc hardware, no doubt it would be another failure investment rejected by majority. amiga scene needs a common ground, a common denominator, and this has been proven by popularity of certain projects, especially lately.

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I have an A2000 here, so I'm with you on that.

@warzon

 

Not if it means focusing solely on legacy hardware. The limitations of the Amiga chipset can't be overcome without redesign, and no one if trying that yet.

You focus on what you want, I'm supporting multiple alternatives.

As you may observe exactly that is happening. The so called legacy amiga hardware becomes redesigned removing its limitations. And there are multiple emerging options. As for alternatives i support them too in form of aros. Im rather indifferent to morphos, since i have never used it and im critical towards os4 since i have used it. I dont think we have a duty to support everything thrown at us unregarded the actual preferences.

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Of course not, I haven't used Os4, but may get some exposure to it by buying an X5000.
Although i still doubt that will sway me much.

Perhaps you should though first give it a try under emulation. Especially that you tend to emotionality. Simply to avoid what happened to vox.

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WTF DO YOU MEAN BY THAT!:angry:

Just kidding.:hammer:

No, I don't see the point in emulating an Amiga equipped with a PPC card.

And I'm buying the X5000 to run MorphOS, so I'll have a copy of OS4 on hand anyway.

Might as well use it in the best environment I can.

okay.

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there's no Vampire accelerators available for A1200's or A4000's

then try to be just, because neither are the cards here in question here avaliable as of today. they are announced, thats all, same as vampire for a1200 for now. however in the contrary to vampire, where we are confronted with the honest communication as they progress, and where is a dependable track of record of actual delivery, all ive seen from this project are some animations and cardboard boxes along with some old accellerator boards cards in front of them.

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This bad joke will end just as the one created by ACK Controls in 2007 did.

funny enough, who knows, maybe this ack thing has been for real, at least at the drawing board;)..

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keeping secret isnt necessary. honest communication will be enough, even some exaggeration will go through. it has been proven lately. but publicity stunts will make people rather cautious. except for die hard cheerlanders, of course.

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I disagree. You could have the most perfect widget in the world and some of this community would scream and yell about how horrible it is and compare the creator to Hitler.

You pretty much have to come out complete with hardware and software to back it up to avoid as much speculation as possible.

no. despite the degenerated image the community will likely not react reasonably to a reasonable offer. might sound like a conspiracy theory, while such an offer has usually been surpressed, invoking an expectation that i will be met with resistance, distrust and badmouthing anyway, by so called "usual suspects" (representing simply many if not everybody who either way doesnt care or dare not speak out anymore).

however some not very promissing iniatives went out under the radar so far, till it was too late. apollo/vampire sounds like an  example. am i right?

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I'm not sure I understood your reply exactly.

Vampire is one that I would hold up as a good example of not saying a word until completion.

really??? i must be missing something in your logic. maybe our resemblance is different..

lets review, the natami approach, majsta going around asking for guidance, first vampire version, work in progress, kind of. tg68 core adoptation, 030/25 speeds. cheap. many bought only to find it discontinued in support after some time and arguably for a good reason. as much as none really complained. at least almost none of the customers.

okay, igor had survived some hard times but if from anyone then from other developers. then apollo team joined in or vice versa.

in my book it is nothing like a closed, behind the scenes apporach. on the contrary. you can simply chip in on irc and be invited to contribute. and it is in my book the right spirit.