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[wawrzon]

with no public first hand statements, and all but hearsay and guessing, p96 ecosystem will always be a legal burden or at least a can of worms, as much as so called "amiga os" or whatever kickstart. such entities of uncertain status should simply be avoided, and replaced by open alternatives, but since people fail to cooperate on such solutions and simply prefer to continue the way of least resistance at least as long as not seriously threatened, noting will change about it, whether we discuss it or not.

[wawrzon]

What I do not understand is the average attitute here that "oh well, I pay for the hardware because I want it", but "software is worthless, I don't care, let's just steal what I need".  

A lot of work went into P96, probably at least as many work hours that went into the vampire, and I believe it's just fair to return something to those that made P96 possible.

Anyhow, I also have reasons to believe that all this trouble might probably go away soon anyhow, and the situation will likely clear up in the near future. There *is* still some good will in this universe, besides what many people believe, and despite that people just try to ignore authors rights and the many work hours they spend in projects.

All I'm asking for is just pay a little bit more respect to those that made the software and hardware you use.

as far as i gather unlikely other cases we are talking here, with the vampire there was a will and approach to honour the developers. in monetary terms. however it looks like someone stepped in between and broke the deal. the developers do not comment on the situation. all we are given are your vague suggestions. so i dont understand properly what you expect to happen now?

[wawrzon]

reminds me of a guy who offered another a can of fixative in my first semester in the art school. the other refused. i dont do business with bonkers like you, he said, either you will give me it for free or you will demand my life for it. one thing you will never accept is a reasonable reward.

[wawrzon]

I am lost - what happened before between Apollo team and P96 authors? Has the Vampire2 existed long enough to make the P96 authors grumpy already? Hilarious.

apparently while the general practice seems simply to silently take some driver or monitor file and rename it accordingly (it happened once, while it still seems somehow tolerated, while not welcome), tha apollo team seems to have approached the p96 people properly in order to establish an agreement. as result, there seems to be a debacle, especially that some third party entered (or ruined) negotiations.. in my eyes the whole standard (if it is a standard, that is) needs to be avoided, due to non transparent situation. there is no clear public statements of the creators of p96, as of whats their position, a lot of hearsay, accusations and the like is underway. it simply demanstrates that the affairs around amiga proprietary software need to be circumnavidated taking furthest possible distance..

[wawrzon]

Why do you need a public statement of the owners? Why do negotiations have to be run in public? Why do *you* need to care? It's not your software, it's neither your hardware. You're none of the parties involved here.

because thats the matter of issues with this community, you can never be sure if you, as a user can even consider using something legally or at least under fair conditions. just look up the history of posts considering different legal or illegal battles and accusations that have taken place around different forums. i didnt bought into apollo project nor im a part of the team, but it interests me and i would like to support it. similarly i simpatize with other amiga hardware projects, as the one on topic here. however relaying on a closed source software components appears as an inpracticable solution to me. not because i do not respect the developers, but because (de facto) i observe repeated inability to come to agreements and a tendence to simply circumnavigate such issues. in a long term none is served well in this way. neither the original developers, nor the users, nor the projects themselves.

[wawrzon]

I noticed on the website that the price has gone up and that drivers are not included.
What good is the card without drivers?

further consequences of tumults around p96?