ARM or x86 with FPGA emulator

[wawrzon]

funny enough the only ppc accelerator attempt in the last years has been given up exactly like the coldfire projects. perhaps 68k emulation on a foreign processor is the only suitable way, but i doubt it will be ppc. one way or another one can be forced to do anything about the issue and since the only projects in progress at this time seems to be either fpga or genuine cpus any further talk about ppc leads to nothing. who wants ppc may go os4 or mos  any time.

[wawrzon]

@matt, trying this phoenix demo under winuae on my surface pro gave me around 37fps. isnt that a little low in comparison? probably it rather reflects memory throughput than cpu speed, gunnars favorite argument if i recall well.

[wawrzon]

right.

judging by the link the demo relies on 64bit multiplication, so thats probably where this softcore scores the best.   but the actually good news is that it runs already on vampire. would be fun to have more details.

[wawrzon]

dual core g5 running one core 68k and the other powerup? no, thanks. pure 68k code runs everywhere: amigas, uae, amithlon, fpgas, os4, mos, aros, pick your choice, no need for any further strange ideas.

[wawrzon]

i think something like this is on schönfelds list, but he apparently aims for mips. curiously he always claimed ppc were unstable by design, if hard to comprehend how they could get away with major flaws all these years.

[wawrzon]

@bloodline, tmhg

well, he actually wasnt refering to supply but to own experience with designing devices, routers, such as his nequester. the technical difficulties with reaching desired stability have in his own words resulted in that he turned his back at ppc. even though statement as this seems unbelievable even to me, who is not a ppc lover, i either im able nor want to question his technical expertise, so i just leave it open.

just for the sake of interest here a genuine statement paradroids on a1k concerning the ppc controversy (english speakers will have to use some translator service, sorry):
http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?p=445998&highlight=ppc#post445998

[wawrzon]

Clone-A with powerpc is exactly what is needed for Amiga community.

its just your opinion. doesnt look that there are that many who back you up.

Really a pity that Jens to quickly gave up on that idea.

as you may have read from the link i  have posted, he has his reasons. he said he will only consider it if someone will pay the whole development up front, now its up to you. making demands is easy.

[wawrzon]

Well, you have one naysayer.

you mean jens? and how do we call people who now and then pop up with all kinds of proposals what others could do, to please them?

I like the idea.

what can i say, guys.. start developing. because providing results is a part that actually convinces people, y know.

[wawrzon]

i beg to differ, aros ppc is as it seems almost as obsolete as 68k. as example aros mesa is about to be working at least software wise, lets call it "wrong colors stuff". aros maintainer, deadwood, has understandibly no much motivation to seek endian dependencies within the genuine engine source. i have had a brief contact with our ppc linux expert (xeno) about the issue, and he said, the interest to fix endianness issues in mesa, which concerns both 68k and ppc, is limited to tell the least. so as much as i hate it to be the case, as 68k fan, big endian platforms ppc and 68k, are fading together into the obscurity as we look at it.

[wawrzon]

Once again, yet another idiot trying to convince us Amiga users to resign from the powerpc.

We Amiga users use powerpc because it is the fastest and COMPATIBLE solution.

Powerpc exists, it works, anyone can buy and use.

As in 1997, so 2014.

x86,ARM are cool but because it is low endian they are incompatible,
and therefore useless.

And as in 1997, in 2014 emulators on x86 is still slower than powerpc.
It is boring this whole %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@! "powerpc is evil".

Years of bull%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@! but with no effects, powerpc haters can only talk but they are too stupid and too lazy to do something.

Powerpc is the best solution in the same way 17 years ago and now.

And that's why we Amiga users will still use powerpc.

actually amiga users use 68k cpu family, simply because there is no amigas with ppc, arm, mips or x86 cpus, but this might be too hard to comprehend, i fear.