We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!

[wawrzon]

It is faster than ever also. Awesome!!!

it still crawls even in comparison with sdl version. probably plotting gfx elements can still be optimized, but im not sure how to catch up with sdl fontend let alone surpass its speed. seems the claims of bernds opponents, sdl is slow, have been proven wrong.

[wawrzon]

@chris
what was previous setting? plain -m68000? there usually is some speedup to be expected but not that significant.

i have an impression as if when loading the page the browser is busy looping at times, because it freezes, but it may just be high priority cpu last.

[wawrzon]

No "probably" about it, as I say graphics are still routing via DataTypes

Thats the same with aros owb currently.

What I need is an optimised RGBA=>dithered palette mapped BitMap, with optional optimised scaling built-in. Anyone?

Ok, but this doesnt matter for deep and true color, we are mostly testing now, i think novacoder had put together some routines for his sdl aga employed with netsurf aga.

[wawrzon]

I'm getting freezing when using the diskfont code.

do you? i have an impression that the browser may hang at some later time, but hard to confirm as it is so slow. i might not have been clear, i meant that while loading the page there is some time the progress gadget stands or disappears, so that ine might assume the browser hangs, but it loads nevertheless some time later.

[wawrzon]

Still no luck with Netsurf. I start to consider that there is something wron in my installation.

Can I think that Reaction is OK when AWeb works just fine? 680X0.libraries are OK, because changin them doesn't affect to result? Maybe I shoul reinstall boing bags and make some testing without any patches installed.

why dont you simply fire up snoop dos and see what is missing, if anything? you cant just assume one application works if the other does. they might differ by just one dependency.

[wawrzon]

netsurf -v
(afair)

[wawrzon]

looks reproducible, strange i cannot catch anything like those deadend software failures, but maybe our with matthey set of kickstart modules differ from yours.

regarding final computer freeze, do you have any outline fonts, because it doesnt seem like that, can you install any, or alternatively use fixed fonts option in your choices file as chris posted above?

edit: to reiterate you need to edit your choices file to contain:

use_diskfont:1
font_sans:helvetica
font_serif:times
font_mono:topaz
font_cursive:garnet
font_fantasy:emerald

the choices file is somewhere in afair netsurf/uses/administrator, or so (i cant check just now)

edit2:
also for future testing you should be able to redirect the debug output either to a file or to serial, in later case you can catch it via null modem + (alternatively) usb adapter on terminal program on another machine.
the instructions how to do that are likely here:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=68782

[wawrzon]

rts is return from subrutine as i read, i think it should be preserved on stack while jsr to it. something wrong with stack?

[wawrzon]

you might try to install a resetfest rad and redirect to a log file there, or to an otherwise empty partition, if you fear to corrupt your file system writing log while a crash to a partition you actually use.

but if you seriously consider testing, serial option would be probably most handy, considering my aros68k experience. but then on aros a lot of debug was low level and boot related, which is not the case here.

[wawrzon]

No comment on the potential compiler fix (Intuition inlines) or are you still looking into it?

shouldnt these functions be declared variadic? maybe they get inlined nevertheless.. some forgoten define or what..

[wawrzon]

This one seems to almost work with my Amigas. It started quite well until it stopped here :

https://zjolha.bl3301.livefilestore.com/y2p_oTIJO0NUuJ3ccjcUASlWshjv9dsvY9BFZ11bRcqoUdsE1BtTbocsb-8KBFLSAfOcJFsz-ZdWTOEw7vfI4RrOIi0ZlrPby9VnUHKbcdouTpsHWpx1A59Sf5gN1OEqf6N7ZVe4whtDPWAdB7EyxuuBQ/WP_20150301_003.jpg

Few seconds more and computer crashes. Are those .otag fonts outlined fonts? Do I need to remove them?

Second time it also gave  me this :

https://zjolha.bl3301.livefilestore.com/y2pYWs2LVj2nr5kyGzs1o5hPC5VLK-DQZxSLVNryGCjNVK7Xx4bSJ4JOCijdMMgwsbW1yesdbjea6mCt-yB1QMFs1OmXs09JJ9-nkMPnPDlMjnhtfB7WA-TsIVb2Eks_bty15b1Je2B3JYSPzldbyEeww/WP_20150301_002.jpg

With Jump RTS I could continue until first error repeated.

im not sure if i see a difference here, these are errors you have reported last time and if matt is right then the version you downloaded might be still the old one.
what concerns the fonts, this is what i would definitely do. no need to ask, try to narrow down the problem on your own. the log entry is not very clear if the presence or absence of the font is the problem, therefore i expected it to be absence (return value seems to be 0), but maybe too big size may be an issue.

[wawrzon]

yes, but i would expect rather ttf fonts in this respect, like dejavu collection, few 100kb each.

[wawrzon]

Maybe someone could addvertise Netsurf in EAB? and other Amiga releated sites?  Good solution would be if we could fing a more experienced and interested 68k coder.

will be hard to force anyone to help, especially it was called for since years and yet none volunteered.
also since there is an sdl version, that is to date stable, much faster and renders correctly it may be hard to motivate anyone for just another frontend.

What is current state? Is it bog slow or is it "semi useable"?

you mean on a real amiga? its "bog slow", i havent tested late version, but i doubt it has much improved. but it isnt a particular problem when testing on winuae, which is the primary thing to do.

i went back trying to get netsurf build under debian, just a generic target for first, i think i have at least almost all dependencies (one might be missing), but there doesnt seem to be utf8proc package available. looks like i need to compile it by hand or something. i just wonder what (major) linux platform do the netsurf people really support for their build system. it seeems much more complicated to build it in comparison to, say, aros and ubuntu seems even less suitable.

[wawrzon]

@chris
it made impression that it was noticeably faster, but since i didnt expected it to be usable, i have not tried it after matt did. okay, ill do later.

The "NetSurf people" use Debian 64-bit.

thats good. thx for the link, but i would like to make sure first, netsurf builds at all and produces a working binary.

[wawrzon]

im sorry, i will be away from my studio for a couple of days/weeks, so cant do anything more what concerns amiga hardware, jut might still try to compile under debian on my tablet.

[wawrzon]

Probelm with previous pages seen through is not just perivious pages. If I move Amiga.org, some previous parts can seen through. Tested with blank start page

a long standing bug i see.. im not sure how much further testing makes sense as long as it isnt fixed.

how is currently the speed comparison to sdl netsurf68k by arti?