UltimatePPC and everything else

[wawrzon]

beautiful project, but since there is no support from os4, morphos nor warpup or powerup soultion holders respectively i wonde3r why the choice fell for ppc? if starting clean from the scratch wouldnt some other processor choice be more promissing? say, even like running 68k emulation on that?

[wawrzon]

i think it doesnt make much sense for hyperion to support it if all applications would have to be recompiled to run on it. what concerns warp i dont know. as i mentioned perhaps its best to run jitted 68k emu on the ppc side having amiga hardware still accessible. thats only way to utilize it that would attract me i suppose. even if the phtos are looking great!

[wawrzon]

lol. hate to think amigaones might occur to be amiga incompatible (again).. , and mac gear too!

[wawrzon]

please. open sourcing mos is out of question as it is with os4, we dont need to discuss it, we have all variants of aros. mos team keeps part of it open and provided sources derived from aros back, thats all right.

back on topic:
as everyone sane and the experts said here the project si in danger because of incompatible ppc cpu. also i think its insane to try to introduce just another incompatible niche especially with low user numbers (the remaining motherboard connectors are rare). also ppc side having no access to original amiga side is a handicap in my opinion. it doesnt make much sense to put this hardware into amiga case if this is practically stand alone.

i think the project makes very nice impression, but has serious conceptual flaws that will likely make it fail even if completed. designers would be best advised to observe, discuss and address the expectation in the target audience if they want they project be commercially successful. but if its just for their own fun then it is fine like it is.

[wawrzon]

Yes he is. I understand from him that in WarpOS there actually is some abstraction of the FPU code and that we can trap all FPU instructions. It is something we can work on to get this running.

fine, but the downside of warpos is and ever was that it needs natively compiled binaries to take advantage of it. everything else remains as slow as it was without it. i repeat my proposal ive already made before: 68k emu running transparently on ppc to speed just everything up. the advantage is, you do not create another niche within a niche, that demands out of date, rarely available and practically unsupported compiler targets backends and particular coding. on the contrary, plain 68k code executed sorta atop of abstraction layer (68k emu) allows easily even further migration to future faster extension cards and exchangeability between all amiga-ng solutions.
what do you say?

[wawrzon]

Buy an UltimatePPC and get AROS running on it then.

as aros is open source everybody is free to do that, but i wouldnt put effort into another fork just to cover a few potential users. aros supports 68k for a reason (except my particular interests) namely it lets control its backwards compatibility. similarly currently there is an effort to get sams supported. but yet another spacial case might become way too much.

@itix: +1000...000!!!

[wawrzon]

Sorry, I would have to correct you on this bit... The connectors are still being manufactured by Kel. You can buy them in minimum quantities of 220 pieces. They have already been sourced.

didnt know that, this is certainly a good news.

as for warpos, as an owner of csppc i really feel its a dead solution, lets see if i be proven wrong.

but how will os4 work around the fpu incompatibility?

[wawrzon]

At least we have a few WOS apps though, if it runs.

yes, they are really a few, id say. compare it to a situation when every available application could take advantage of the speedup..

A CS replacement that goes fast would be saleable I`m sure but given Petro`s offer a Blizzard replacement might now do better.

unregarded any offer there is certainly more a1k2 than a4k in use.