Final of my Aros 68k distribution

[wawrzon]

i dont know about olafs distribution but it cant be nuch slower than aros nightlies im regularly testing on my real amigas here.
the fact is that aros is slow on many operations, in particular wanderer is slow.
the loading of programs might in case of more complex software also cost more time initially while the execution is obviously as fast as ever especially when not much system calls are involved. what concerns gui/mui/zune it isnt exactly fast but about usable.
currently scalos is being integrated, which makes desktop quite much faster, functional and complete. also the bottlenecks will be eventually identified.

[wawrzon]

aros68k on winuae isnt slow at all of course. but it might be considerd that on real hardware, especially when using planar screens. on rtg it makes impression to be about as fast as original os i when it comes to gui operations, but im not much testing that at the moment. what concerns scalos it is close to run well, but still crashes in some situations. it is much faster than wanderer i have to report.

[wawrzon]

i wouldnt use executive on aros68k. does it even gives any measurable advantage there or is it supplied just "because we can"?

i would generally discourage using system patches at this point except they are really used on purpose, as apparently it is the case with muforce even though i have not tried it up till now.

aros should and will incorporate expected features itself beyond 3.x compatibility, and there is work done on that. it is important to concentrate on what is included in aros as this can be improved instead of using 3rd party closed source tools as this had to be done on 3.x.

for instance mattheys asm optimized memcopy functions have been committed by toni few days ago. as it is not a common knowledge, someone might get an idea to patch them with less effective ones expecting better performance than original 3.x ones. this is counterproductive.

aros is there exactly to make this wild system patching obsolete, and as happy i am about the likes of powerwindows on 3.x im much more happy thet i dont need them under aros.

[wawrzon]

to be honest i dont even know what kind of scheduler aros is equipped with. if this is round robbin then executive could help to determine what the most efficient and most compatible apporoach be, and this coule be implemented at least as an option.

otherwise i think aros68k is still much too unstable to introduce further possible failure and incomtpatibility sources.

[wawrzon]

Well, if it's rather slow on anything other than an 060, is it really worth it?
I mean ok, i do appreciate having an alternative and free AOS-compatible OS, but wouldn't it be far better to have support for at least a few of the stock Amiga models? True, an 060 is not as rare as a PPC board, but still we're talking about a very limited user-base. And was UAE actually the target of developing this stuff after all?

Aros68k schould Even Run in Stock 68000with some RAM (4mb i think). It is compiled with basic CPU options afair. It is slower than the original aos for various reasons, most of which can be taken care of i suppose. The envisioned audience is the whole 68k user base. Sorry it isnt done just in an instant. I would wish for that myself.

[wawrzon]

i have just take a short look at scalos under current aros68k nightly. its quite snappy on say 4 planes aga pal hires interlace even with backgrounds turned on. main problem is this case chipmem shortage to keep all the textures in. strangely on rtg (cv64) it is even much more laggy at present...

[wawrzon]

i keep getting the impression that the low-spec machines were left out of the game.

no, its not the case. the whole work on aros and especially on 68k is done with widest possible target audience in mind. stand by. alas there is not enough devs involved to progress as fast as we would like it to be.

[wawrzon]

comment out "theme" assign in the s-s? that must be done anyway. or what do you mean?

[wawrzon]

strange, it was slow for me with the backgrounds and stuff even though i always comment it out as of late. have you textures turned on? im leaving them currently at default for the purpose of testing.

[wawrzon]

let me quote my post from awnet here:

just in case, a dumb video, a little boring and lengthy, but might give you an impression of current functionality and speed of aros and scalos on a genuine amiga. and also how you can let it crash quite easily. well, masybe not the whole system, but scalos at least.

http://youtu.be/Exbr4bmGjaY

and here the earlier version with the same machine hooked up to a 1084s, not much to see though, so you might want to skip it:

http://youtu.be/16Lsdv4HeHg

now, suffer.