Roadshow for 68K -Needs your support!

[wawrzon]

i AM interested, as long as it wouldnt cost the world (within 10eur) which is i think fair, but it should have some sorta options gui if it is going to be commercial release.

[wawrzon]

@olaf:
i understand your pov about the distribution very well, but you, a coder, also have to take how users see it into account. having released your stack a few years ago not only you would prevent the severe misuse of miami licences and in the end sell more units but could also demand more money per licence i think. i dont understand what was stopping you to do so all the time? contacts again? but good thing that it has changed. nevertheless seing it in relation, if an operating system (featuring a tcp stack) is calculated around 100eur then a stack alone would be fair to be in a 10eur range. heck, i would pay 14,99 ;PD, for the sake of it even if i have no router to connect my amis just now. see the genuine amigan loyality.

[wawrzon]

@olaf: estabilshing a bounty and open sourcing would be most practical for both sides i believe. if not too high calculated you might get your cash pretty soon without any distribution hassle and yet remain supervising the project, while others would have opportunity to help you out with it. but reading between your lines i suspect you are not in a position to do that. if so talking about it any further is senseless..

[wawrzon]

@tahoe: looks like u will need to buy 20 keyfiles..

[wawrzon]

another argument against closed source on amiga. as soon as a developer of an essential element gets demotivated or limited by agreements the work must begin from the start. it is deadly in this tiny community. the only luck is we have got alternatives for about to everything.

[wawrzon]

Well, my outlook on this is pessimistic. If it really were that easy, we'd have a lot more projects on sourceforge.net (or Google code, whatever) than is currently the case. Fact is, hardly anybody who went through the hassle of learning Amiga software development is still doing it, and the state of the platform being as it is, few people want to learn it.

no, open source does not guarantee anything, but at least the code would not go lost, as in case you quit for whatever reason or your backups get missing. so many people are leaving here quietly, somtimes with their precious stuff, never to be seen again. but positive example to what may happen is pfs3, open sourced with piru working on it and already included in aros.

speaking of which aros is a perfect place to accomodate all that. people there have extremly different interests and views about amiga (f.e. toni willlen with his only-68k) yet they are working together. aros attemts to stay compatible to as much as possible amiga alternatives (1.x-3.x, mos, os4) and offers potential support to widest variety of platforms including custom ones. aros gathers skilled coders, what it lacks is audience, hopefully to get interested as soon as 68k port gets usable.

[wawrzon]

forget it.

[wawrzon]

why? what happened?

exactly: nothing. so what do you expect to happen yet?

[wawrzon]

i dont think there is much to expect from the project here. roadshow is told to be best amiga tcp stack, it would be cool to have it, but the burden to devolop and maintain amiga software has become too much for every single person, no matter how talented.

in this context i just might report that as side effect of having owb on aros 68k also its native arostcp stack has started working on my amiga set to corresponding genuine 68k device (in my case xsurf .device). it is slower than miamidx but its there and the sources are free. it will likely improve, and given that it does, someone might even port it back to 3.x if necessary. we cant let amiga its development and its software base die even if individuals cannot carry on or become demotivated, we must push open source.

[wawrzon]

If there ever was something I thought would certainly be doable and not too challenging, it was writing a GUI for Roadshow.

You just cannot take this for granted. I tried four times, I failed four times over the course of 8+ years.

so whats so difficult about it if it is so easy? i really dont get it..

jason mcmullan when he introduced prnter support for aros wrote quickly a gui for it, without any experience with mui/zune before. arostcp has a working prefs gui, i can set xsurf device on my a4k and it works.. so why an oldskool amiga developer cant write a simple prefs gui? maybe the problem is delegating it to others who actually dont get it done. maybe doing it self is the fastest and most secure of choices. i for my part would expect a tcp stack for twenty bucks to come with a gui even if basic one. im not bashing here, its just my opinion.

[wawrzon]

Absolute worst case scenario, you have to edit a text file and change a couple variables. Should be a cakewalk for anyone still tinkering with 68k Amigas.

20 bucks (if that is indeed the final cost) yields 1789 kB/s here to my A4000 with a DENEB and USB stick, you certainly won't get that kind of performance with Miami or AmiTCP.

setting up tcp stack may be a major trouble for some including me, unregarded system, gui or no gui. i tend to think that editinf text files isnt the easiest way.

[wawrzon]

I don't know how AROS solved the same problems

sources are open. i dont say its the perfect solution, but it has worked for me out of the box, perhaps because i use router, and do not need in depth settings;)